Ponderal 8 reales Felipe V


Ponderal de latón para 8 reales con escudo de Felipe V aunque sin inscripción circundante (Felipe IIII)

27,13 g de peso / masa con rayas de ajuste. ss XVII-XVIII

Sirvió como patrón / referencia de masa en alguna ceca hispánica. El latón en aquella época era un metal valioso (más que la plata, menos que el oro), por lo que se reutilizaban según iban cambiando las leyes y de ahí su rareza / escasez actual.

Más ponderales  http://www.identificacion-numismatica.com/gallery/Monedas-Ibericas/ARSAOS/Ponderales-de-monedas-h4.htm  y   http://www.imperio-numismatico.com/f20-ponderales


Agosto canicular 8 reales III

Aquí https://moneditis.com/2018/07/28/agosto-canicular-8-reales-i/   y aquí   https://moneditis.com/2018/08/07/agosto-canicular-8-reales-ii/    las dos (2) anteriores entradas. Esta es la última relativa a subastas veraniegas internacionales.


WEST INDIES. Treble Island Countermark. Martinique-St. Kitts-Tortola. 1/4 Dollar, ND (ca. 1805-24). PCGS GOOD-04 Secure Holder.
KM-18(for “TIRTILA” basic type), cf.KM-4(for “S” basic type); KM-25(for crenated edge); cf.Prid-23 for C/M combination. 5.79g. Cut from and countermarked on a Spanish colonial bust type 8 Reales of Charles III of indeterminate mint with the last digit of the date “8” visible. Since the first mutilation of this piece was prior to any possible date ending with an “8” for Charles IV the attribution to Charles III is certain. The original cut by crenated edge occurred in Martinique by authorization of the British Administration in 1797 and valued as 2 Shillings 3 Pence. This piece then traveled to St. Kitts, where it was flipped over and countermarked with four “S” stamps by a decree in 1801, giving it the same circulating value on that island. A final countermark “TIRTILA” (Type III) was then applied on Tortola between 1805-24. The most interesting fact about this piece is the highly unusual presence of a fourth “S” on the reverse. The normal application of the “S” countermarks was to each corner on the cut 1/4 Dollars while the present example has an additional “S” in the center. This is the first example that this cataloger can recall seeing either in reference material or auction catalogs where a cut 1/4 Dollar displayed an additional “S” countermark in the center and as such should be considered EXTREMELY RARE. Missing from Pridmore, Roehrs, Gordon, Ford, Gibbs, Patterson, Byrne, Whetmore and Peltzer collections. Though missing from all of these famous old time collections it should be mentioned that Pridmore had a single 1/4 Dollar example where it had the “S” countermarks in their normal locations at the corners with an additional “S” on the reverse in one corner. Pridmore also had a 1/8 Dollar with four “S” countermarks similar to the present example. A real treat for the advanced collector of cut and countermarks or West Indies. VF details on the Tortola countermark, good detail on “S” countermarks, all with dark gray toning. A fascinating, well traveled piece.
PCGS GOOD-04 Secure Holder.


Estimate: 3’000 USD   |   Starting price: 1’800 USD

SPAIN. 8 Reales, 1728-SP. Philip V (1700-46). PCGS MS-63 Secure Holder.
KM-336.3; Cal-Type 161#938; Dav-1697. Well struck and centered, with attractive and pervasive dark gray toning. A choice example of this scarce type worthy of a strong bid.
PCGS MS-63 Secure Holder.




También Guatemala, Lima…Como véis, en agosto también hay “vida numismática”, con alguna que otra pieza que sale rara vez a subasta. Habrá que estar atento.


Agosto canicular 8 reales II

De aquí  https://moneditis.com/2018/07/28/agosto-canicular-8-reales-i/

Seguimos en Heritage


Desde Australia


AUSTRALIAN Proclamation Coins – Monedas de proclamación australianas


Stack´s Bowers (USA) http://www.stacksbowers.com/Pages/Home.aspx


BOLIVIA. 8 Reales Royal, 1655-P E. Philip IV (1621-65). NGC VF Details–Holed.
27.10 gms. KM-R21; Laz-144. Well struck with good definition of the design features which include three very clear dates. Nearly complete legends on the obverse with portions of the tops of letters at about 9 o’clock off the flan, while the reverse boldly displays the King’s name and ordinal with some of the remainder off the flan. Mostly bright gray with deep toning in the recessed areas. Holed, as most are, although quite neatly done and therefore of little detraction to the overall appearance.
NGC VF Details–Holed.


CURACAO. 3 Reaals (18 Stivers or Guillotine), ND (ca. 1800-01). PCGS Genuine–Tooled, Fine Details Secure Holder.
6.60 gms. KM-7; Prid-pg. 251 Fig. 25; Scholten-1368a. “Star” or Rosace of five petals countermark applied to reverse of a cut 1/4 Dollar with crenated edges of 1793-MoFM bust 8 Reales of Charles IIII(IV). During the governorship of J. K. Lauffer small silver coinage was obtained by cutting whole Spanish Dollars into quarters. A quantity of 7,000 Dollars were cut into equal parts by goldsmith H. J. Hoyer and were declared current at 3 Reaals or 18 Stivers. The local name given to these as referred to in public notices was “Guillotinos”. A public notice of 3rd March 1801 warned against forgeries. VERY RARE and very interesting, much more so than the later more common British occupation issues of cut 1/5 Dollars. It should be noted that the indent on the reverse next to the date is identical to the example plated in Fred Pridmore’s ground breaking work “The Coins of the British Commonwealth of Nations Part 3 West Indies”. The countermark is well placed and bold. Though the holder indicates tooling this is not accurate, numerous scratches are present on both the obverse and reverse from long ago now toned over. The date and KM number listed on the PCGS insert are incorrect. Dark gray to charcoal toning throughout with hints of blue that pop out when tilted in the light. Another treat for the specialist of West Indies cut and countermarked issues. Countermark VF Details, host coin
PCGS Genuine–Tooled, Fine Details Secure Holder.



JAMAICA. 6 Shillings 8 Pence (Dollar 8 Reales), ND (Act of 18 November 1758). PCGS VF-35 Secure Holder.
KM-8.2; Prid-4. Bi-facial floral “GR” countermark well applied to centers of a 1755 Mexico 8 Reales (KM-104.2). Lovely mottled old envelope tone displaying hues of blue, sea foam green and rose. A lovely example with good eye appeal. Countermark VF Details, host coin
PCGS VF-35 Secure Holder.
From the Cardinal Collection Educational Foundation.#1 PCGS Registry Set of “World Coins Circulating in Early America”.



Highly Important UTRUQUE Error Legend Variety
MEXICO. 8 Reales, 1746-MF. Philip V (1700-46). NGC VF-35.
KM-unlisted; Gilboy-unlisted. EXCESSIVELY RARE error variety with “UTRUQUE” instead of “UTRAQUE” on the date side. Well struck with contained wear over the higher devices defining the designation and mild adjustment marks on the shield. A premium example for the assigned grade with problem-free surfaces. The discovery piece of this little known and excessively rare variety, which remains unlisted in the Krause and Gilboy reference work. Spelling errors are not unknown for the Spanish Colonial pillar series of 8 Reales with the Potosi 8 Reales 1768 PTS-JR with spelling error “URTAQUE” instead of “UTRAQUE” (6-7 known examples) and the Lima 8 Reales 1771 LM-JM with the error “HIAPSN” instead of “HISPAN” (around 12-15 examples known) the most noteworthy. Both are duly considered as key issues to complete their respective series. The present coin’s rarity propels it into an entirely different level of desirability: only 3 examples are known, one of which is likely impounded for a long time in a private U.S. collection. The present offering thus represents a very rare opportunity to acquire the rarest issue amongst the Mexican pillar 8 Reales (and the key to complete a set of this ever-popular series).
NGC VF-35.
Ex: Darwin Palmer Collection.



Estimate: 10’000 USD   |   Starting price: 6’000 USD

Magnificent Lima Pillar Dollar
PERU. 8 Reales, 1762-L JM. PCGS MS-65 Secure Holder.
KM-A64.1 (marked A64.2 on slab); Gil-L-8-14B; cf.El-14; Cal-Type 96#837; FC-13b. Single finest certified of the type on the PCGS population report. Variety with dots above both mintmarks. Strong repunch of the 7 and 6 in date. Highly lustrous satiny surfaces with attractive steel gray toning and a nice cartwheel effect, a piece with great eye appeal in this much sought after lofty grade. A spectacular example destined for the finest of cabinets.
PCGS MS-65 Secure Holder.
From the Cardinal Collection Educational Foundation.#1 PCGS Registry Set of “World Coins Circulating in Early America”.

Seguimos en la tercera y última entrada


Agosto canicular 8 reales I

Sigo en solaz receso , valga la redundancia, por lo que tampoco voy a contaros / dar detalles sobre mi no del todo ociosa existencia, más que nada por su falta de interés / trascendencia. Espero seguir así hasta mediados de septiembre.


De mis lecturas, viajes, audiciones y experiencias varias, todas relativamente alejadas de mi afición por las moneditas, valgan los post scriptums (P.S.)


En agosto no hay muchas subastas, ninguna en España, por lo que de un vistazo rápido por USA, Australia, Japón, UK y Austria, destaco alguna pieza.


Siempre me han llamado la atención las monedas procedentes de pecios, por su historia añadida


Desde Japón


En Heritage siempre hay cosas interesantes…muuuyyyyyyy interesaaaantesssss


Estimate: 10’000 USD   |   Starting price: 5’000 USD

Charles III Pillar 8 Reales 1768 So-A VF Details (Chopmarked) NGC, Santiago mint, KM18, Eliz-15, WR-2. Obv. Crowned arms divide assayer and denomination. Rev. Crowned globes between crowned pillars. The strike is a bit soft above the date and on the corresponding area on the obverse. The surfaces are a bit rough, with 2-3 small chopmarks on both the obverse and reverse. An extremely rare issue, with the XF45 Millennia Collection example (sold by Ira & Larry Goldberg in 2008 at $39,000) possibly the only piece sold at auction in the last 20 years. Previous to that, in the Ponterio Amat Collection Sale of March 1991, a VF/XF realized $27,500. The first with have offered and one of the few pieces extant.HID05401242017


Estimate: 50’000 USD   |   Starting price: 25’000 USD

Danish Asiatic Company. Christian VII Trade Piastre 1777 AU55 NGC, Kongsberg mint, KM639.2, Dav-412, Salvesen-52. An extraordinary offering that features the crowned arms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden across the obverse. The reverse presents the crowned, globe-shaped arms of Denmark and Norway between two pillars with the island names of ISLAN, GRÖNLAN, and FERÖ below. Thick, cobalt-dove patina covers the entirety of the planchet, with cordovan coloring at the legends and original luster that gleams from the expanses. The strike has been rendered with authority and any effects of handling remain well concealed beneath the darkened patination. Struck for trade in the Orient, the design of this historically important “Greenland Dollar” was inspired by the Spanish colonial pillar 8 Reales, and was issued in the year that the Danish Asiatic Company ceded Asian trade rights to the Danish crown. A scarce offering in total, with Salvesen reporting a mintage figure of 21 known pieces, 12 of which are in museums. Ex. Millennia CollectionHID05401242017


Estimate: 500’000 USD   |   Starting price: 250’000 USD

Charles and Johanna “Early Series” Rincón 8 Reales ND (c. 1538) •M•-•M• AU50 NGC, Mexico City mint, 36.5mm, 27.13g, KM-Unl., Calico-68, Nesmith-Unl. hISP[]ИIE : [ornament?] : [ornament?] : ET : IИDIARRVM : RE [truncated S?]:, a pair of crown-topped pillars (representing the Pillars of Hercules), rhomboidal banner in between with the word PLVS, one pellet above, one in either corner; R below (for Francisco del Rincón), cross above (value marker), all with inner beaded border / AKROLVVS (V double struck) : [ornament?] : ET : IOhAИA : D, crowned shield with turrets in first and fourth quadrants (representing Castile), and lions in the second and third (representing Leon), pomegranate at bottom (representing Granada); •M• (mintmark, stacked) on either side, all within inner beaded border. Perfectly centered and well-struck for the type. Wonderful slate gray surfaces that continue to emit rays of gorgeous mint luster. Once considered to be a purely conjectural piece, this earliest of crown-sized coins struck in the New World–just two years after the establishment of the mint (later Mexico City) by royal charter in 1536–represents a minuscule group of just 3 known pieces recovered from the shipwreck of the “Golden Fleece” (sunk c. 1550) in 1990, and sold at public auction in 2004, 2006, and 2014 respectively. First suggested by the testimony of Francisco Tello de Sandoval after an investigation of the mint in 1545 (though legislation for the minting of such pieces had been issued on November 18, 1537), the present offering displays all of the tell-tale signs concordant with this and other 16th-century accounts while hardly evincing a trace of saltwater damage: – The legends, crudely blundered in numerous places and often showing double-striking, frequently contain breaks, in keeping with nearly ubiquitous contemporary statements that such pieces were “very difficult” to mint. – There is, in general, very little wear on the flan, with the coin maintaining nearly its full weight, confirming Juan Gutierrez’s statement that they “were not circulating”. – It carries the initial of the mint’s first assayer, Francisco del Rincón, who served his two-year term of office between 1536 and 1538. Aside from the unabashed illiteracy of the legends (a sign that these early pieces were produced by native, New World mint workers), the present offering bears several other key clues to its early production, including the older, Gothic style of numerous letters in the legends, most particularly the M mintmarks on either side of the crowned royal shield of Spain, while the remainder of the orthography conforms to “new” Latin lettering. From a more world-historical perspective, while this initial experiment aimed at a colonial crown-sized silver coinage initially failed, such experimentation conformed with and reflected Spain’s newfound wealth and domineering aspirations at the dawn of the sixteenth-century. Perhaps planned as the potential backbone of a nascent colonial empire, this issue proudly asserts Spain’s central position in the world political order, conveying via the motto between the Pillars of Hercules–the old border of the known world–PLVS (“beyond”, in direct defiance of the ancient motto Ne Plus Ultra, nothing further beyond) that the new superpower was no longer to sit idly on the edge of global affairs. While earlier offerings of this type were somewhat hampered by confusion over the quantity of pieces recovered, which we now know to be only three, typically achieving $350,000 to $450,000, the sale of a third (but inferior) piece in 2014 for $587,500 demonstrated the untapped potential of this exquisite issue. With the current piece far outranking the 2014 specimen in terms both of execution and preservation, we expect this truly magisterial piece to soar to ever greater heights, and it is sure to ignite the fiercest of bidding amongst potential buyers. Ex. Heritage New York Signature Auction #397, January 2006, Lot 14177 Selection from the Isaac Rudman Numismatic CabinetHID05401242017

De menos, 5.000 a más, 500.000 dólares…y aquí lo voy a dejar por hoy, que siento cierto mareo 😉 Continuará…

Si queréis, podéis preguntaros si habéis visto alguna de estas, aunque no sólo, monedas en alguna otra subasta reciente española, precio de adjudicación, procedencia…¿Por qué aparecen en agosto estos monedones? ¿Quién está “deshaciendo posiciones”? ¿?


P.S.2      http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Numismatic-Whos-Who/42

Subasta Ibercoin 27 de junio

Tras un par de años, +-, vuelve a la carga la casa de subastas numismáticas Ibercoin



En una breve, aunque intensa visita, he fotografiado algunos columnarios, alguno con detalle curioso.


Me extrañaba un peso tan bajo en la descripción (24,73 g), por lo que supuse que era una errata…y así es (comunicado a Ibercoin)


26,71 g es un peso (masa) dentro de límites. Un coleccionista informado no hubiese comprado nunca este columnario; 2 gramos de falta de peso es mucha tela…

Si, ya sé que este es el reverso. Buena conservación general

La calidad de las fotos no es la que debiera…

Y en los cantos es donde el cerrillado es curioso, al haberse desplazado una de las cerrillas (más bien el cospel) en el proceso. No hay cambio de dirección pero si solapamiento de las hojas de laurel. No es raro que suceda en esta ceca (visto alguna otra vez).

Luego, con algo más de tiempo, quizá suba alguna otra monedita más… 🙂

8 Reales 1803 Lima FALSOS

Estos ocho reales limeños de Carlos IV 1803 tienen toda la pinta de ser falsos, en el sentido de no haber sido acuñados por la Corona Española sino, muy probablemente, por los hijos de la Gran Bretaña en Birmingham y/o Sheffield

Comenzando por el peso, bastante escaso, denominador común en estas falsificaciones “british”. Así se ahorraban unos peniques en material…

Tanto el anverso como el reverso presentan un pronunciado desgaste, no pudiéndose apreciar gráfila alguna en anverso y machacada en reverso. Busto y leyendas descentradas, con alguna peculiaridad habitual en los tipos y en los castillos en reverso en estas “imitaciones”.

Canto “cantarín”

A falta de XRF y con la debida cautela/prevención, yo diría que es un real de a ocho falso “fabricado” por los británicos para comercio internacional de la época, más habitual en las cecas de Lima y Potosí por mi experiencia.

Y si, amigos, ¡ha llegado el verano! (climatológicamente hablando en España), por lo que se imponen el relax y las lecturas atrasadas, entre otras cuestiones pendientes. Así pues, este blog se relaja hasta el 15 de septiembre con entradas esporádicas sobre moneditas…aunque no sólo 😉

Klub Numismático 2018

Cada seis (6) meses + o –  procedo con una entrada del Klub. Esta es la primera del 2018, pero….  https://moneditis.com/2015/04/20/moneditis-en-san-petersburgo/   allá por el 2015 y el cambio a la nueva sede  https://moneditis.com/2015/11/22/nueva-sede-klub-del-koleccionista-en-piter/

Cuando voy, ya sea a recoger material de Sergey o simplemente a zascandilear/enredar/mirar y charlar, casi siempre encuentro entre mis manos algún 8 reales para su valoración y autentificación, ya sea de algún colega o encontrado entre el material a la venta

Con este “chino” caben pocas dudas…pero recuerdo un potosino de busto de Carlos III hace unas semanas que, excepto por el peso y una marcada diferencia entre anverso y reverso en cuanto a desgaste/detalle, además del canto, podría haber pasado como bueno en sus tiempos. Del resto de 8 reales de busto de Carlos IV de este vendedor no hice fotos, pero al preguntarle sobre el origen de esas monedas, un embarazoso silencio me hizo desistir de preguntar más, aunque seguí mirando thalers y un patagón de Amberes que parecía bueno…pero cuando veo falsas mezcladas entre auténticas en un álbum, la desconfianza se instala en mi subconsciente.

Una vez recorridas las tres (3) salas varias veces, con múltiples paradas, incluyendo chupitos de coñac, y haber salido a los corrillos de la calle, donde siempre se cuece algo, me vuelvo a casa, acompañado o no, dando un paseíto

El hielo se ha “petrificado” en las zonas sin paso.

ps Carteras 70 Aniversario Victoria y rublos 1921 y 1924