20 marcos alemanes oro falsos…o no

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https://stores.ebid.net/moneditis

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El mismo Mr. X de esta entrada  https://moneditis.com/2022/10/29/pesos-mexicanos-oro/  hoy nos deleita con valiosa información técnica e histórica sobre las monedas de 20 marcos de oro alemanas. Téngase en cuenta que se acuñaron bastantes de estas monedas por parte de los diversos Estados Alemanes antes de la unificación de la República de Weimar y posterior Tercer Reich, por lo que, de manera orientativa, os dejaré más abajo alguna página del Krause sobre alguna de ellas.

Aquí   https://www.briefmarkenankauf-muenzenankauf.de/schmidt-hausmann-reichsgoldmuenzen-nachpraegungen-faelschungen.html  explicaciones al respecto. Nótense los cantos. El traductor automático puede con todo

Debajo tabla de densidades Au, Ag y Cu

Me gustan las espectrometrías, por lo que os dejo también un par de ellas de, a su vez, un par de 20 marcos, junto con medidas de las monedas y tal. En el enlace de donde provienen estos últimos datos, tenéis Vrenellis, Sovereigns…y también 50 pesos mexicanos, todos NO auténticos

http://www.xn--mnzen-pz-65a.de/2.0/html/Pr%C3%BCfmetoden.html

Los análisis XRF son reveladores. Marcados en anverso y reverso detalles falsarios; desafortunadamente no hay imágenes de cantos

http://www.xn--mnzen-pz-65a.de/2.0/html/Pr%C3%BCfmetoden.html

Nada que añadir. Gracias X   😉

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Reales Napoleónicos Españoles

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https://stores.ebid.net/moneditis

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Os dejo por aquí una muestra de gran módulo de moneda circulante durante la ocupación francesa de España

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Independencia_Espa%C3%B1ola

«El reinado de José I de España, hermano mayor del sobredimensionado Napoleón, estuvo marcado permanentemente por la Guerra de la Independencia. Su búsqueda de apoyo entre los grupos de ilustrados españoles, básicamente entre los llamados con desprecio afrancesados por su simpatía con las ideas de la revolución y más permeables a la ideología del invasor napoleónico, fue continua y desasosegante.

José I Bonaparte utilizó todos los recursos a su alcance para potenciar una imagen pública con la que ganarse al pueblo español tras la cruenta y artera invasión napoleónica.«

https://www.elconfidencial.com/alma-corazon-vida/2015-02-07/el-pepe-botella-real-jose-bonaparte-una-excelente-idea-con-un-soberano-fallo_703354/

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_I_Bonaparte

España, al contar con una gran tradición monetaria de indudable prestigio internacional, fue la excepción a la hora de tratar de implantar el sistema decimal como símbolo del nuevo Estado (en todos los demás estados ocupados por la Francia napoleónica se llevó a cabo). Se optó por una solución intermedia que hiciera compatible el modelo tradicional español con la corriente francesa. La orden de abril de 1809 ordena que las nuevas emisiones de oro y plata viniesen reflejadas en reales de vellón. De este modo las piezas de 8 reales pasan a ser de 20 aunque mantuvieron una apariencia física (en iconografía, peso y medida) totalmente similar. Los anversos presentan siempre al rey con busto desnudo, sin ornamento, con pelo corto y despeinado muy a la Titus tan de moda en la Francia del XIX. Sin embargo, y como guiño a la tradición española, se mantuvo en la leyenda el origen divino de la autoridad real (algo que no aparece en ninguna moneda napoleónica). El escudo del reverso, probablemente el más completo de toda la numismática española, incluye por primera vez cuartel propio para Granada y para las Indias. Obviamente, otra gran diferencia es la sustitución del escusón borbónico por el águila de Júpiter emblema napoleónico de origen carolingio.

https://www.ibercoin.com/es/subastas-numismaticas/54-Subasta-Online-Monedas-29-11-2022/lote-1287-JOS-NAPOLEN-1808-1813

Lot 1287      Starting price: 11 000 EUR

JOSÉ NAPOLEÓN (1808-1813). 320 Reales (Au. 26,90g/36mm). 1810. Madrid RS. (Cal-2019-55). EBC-. Muy raro ejemplar y más en esta espectacular calidad, manteniendo parte de su brillo original y presentando una bonita pátina.

JOSEPH NAPOLEON (1808-1813). 320 Reales (Aug. 26.90g/36mm). 1810. Madrid RS. (Cal-2019-55). Almost Extremely Fine. Very rare specimen and even more so in this spectacular quality, maintaining part of its original shine and presenting a beautiful patina.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=6277&lot=1287

Y en plata

 
Lot 1285   Starting price: 600 EUR
JOSE NAPOLEON (1808-1813). 8 Reales. (Ar. 27,22g/40mm). 1809. Madrid IG. (Cal-2019-33). EBC. Insignificantes rayitas en reverso. Escaso ejemplar y más así presentando brillo original.
 
JOSEPH NAPOLEON (1808-1813). 8 Reales. (Ar. 27.22g/40mm). 1809. Madrid IG. (Cal-2019-33). Extremely Fine. Insignificant scratch on reverse. Scarce specimen and even more so presenting original brightness.
 
 

https://www.ibercoin.com/es/subastas-numismaticas/54-Subasta-Online-Monedas-29-11-2022/lote-1286-JOS-NAPOLON-1808-1813

Lot 1286    Starting price: 400 EUR
 
JOSÉ NAPOLÉON (1808-1813). 20 Reales. (Ar. 26,77g/39mm). Madrid AI. (Cal-2019-40). SC-. Brillo original. Magnífica.
 
JOSEPH NAPOLEON (1808-1813). 20 Reales. (Ar. 26.77g/39mm). Madrid AI. (Cal-2019-40). Almost Uncirculated. Original Luster . magnificent.
 

P.S. Subasta de libros numismáticos Kolbe & Fanning

https://bid.numislit.com/lots/view/1-6O6VHL/the-key-work-on-the-coining-process

https://bid.numislit.com/lots/view/1-6O6VHF/patent-papers-schematic-for-counterfeit-coin-detector

https://bid.numislit.com/lots/view/1-6O6VJV/the-gonzales-del-valle-collection

https://bid.numislit.com/lots/view/1-6O6VK5/modern-work-on-spanish-american-coins

https://bid.numislit.com/lots/view/1-6O6VLP/saint-petersburg-numismatic-journal

Y alguno más interesante; mucha más literatura referida a los USA que del resto del mundo en esta subasta…que no deja de ser una casa yankee sita en Ohio 😉

Pesos Mexicanos oro + Silver Stack

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https://stores.ebid.net/moneditis

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Esta entrada le pertenece a un amigo, que se ha tomado la molestia de grabar el siguiente vídeo. Gracias

Poco que añadir, salvo las páginas del Krause a las que hace referencia Mr. X  😉

Los precios de catálogo no están actualizados, aunque si lo estuvieran siempre es mejor acudir al mercado de abastos metalero para su comprobación y compra/venta.   Por ejemplo   https://www.lavetadeoro.com/   aunque no sólo

Hace 50 años estas monedas de oro tenían un mayor sobrespot / estaban más valoradas

Aquí   https://moneditis.com/2022/02/05/50-pesos-oro-mexico-1944-estudio-conclusion/   estudio sobre 50 pesos mexicanos

Además de los pesos en oro, también los hay de plata…pero esa es otra historia por contar…

P.S. Continuando con el Post Scriptum de la entrada anterior, ahondando en lo que parece una alta demanda de plata por parte de la industria y de los inversores

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-10-28/update-silver-just-getting-warmed-whats-next

«Right now the global bank and regulatory community has much bigger, more important fish to fry than the little old stupid silver market. Ultimately leaders do not care about price, they care about speed of rise and headline risk that conveys they are losing control of financial markets. Therefore true price will be the last thing to reflect value as it will not happen overnight, and shorts will use all their considerable power to slow it. Let them. Ultimately the smart banks will be long; just like you and the government. Structural problems can’t be spoofed away.  The only thing that can stop this eventuality of repriced Silver is another great depression in our opinion.»

keepcalm

«This is about a plateau price for Silver in the $50s with launching pad prices higher over years. This is a revaluation from real necessary global demand, fractured supply chains, and a shortage of good collateral.  It will merely start with a paper short squeeze. This is not AMC or BBBY squeeze that can be printed away. It is a much bigger manifestation of structural deficit. Meme stocks were a warm up of opportunists taking advantage of structural imbalances for short term gains. Silver is a real market. The world just doesn’t know it yet.»

Leyendo los comentarios del enlace anterior encuentro este otro enlace…

https://bagholder.substack.com/p/exposing-fraud-in-the-silver-market

«Please take a deep breath and allow the following two sentences to land:

The market is in backwardation because those of us currently holding physical silver, who are being offered the “risk-free” immediate profits plus interest, do not believe for one second the paper promises to get our silver back in the future will be honored. Simply put, the diamond-handed physical longs are calling the bluff on the paper promises offered by the futures market.

 For decades now, the futures market has dictated the spot price of metals. Those days are coming to an end. Just this past week, one of the country’s biggest bullion dealers (Apmex) started waving yet another Red flag by putting out a standing offer of Spot + $10 on all the Silver Eagles you want to sell them. That’s $30 an ounce for what the futures market is telling you should cost $20. A 50% premium!! Ask yourself, which price of silver is more accurate: the price the futures market tells you it is, or the price offered by the guy with an open checkbook?»

«Bagholder’s years of experience in the silver market lead him to believe the 50% premium on offer will not be anywhere near sufficient to bring enough supply into the market to meet current demand. TPTB are just chumming the waters with that offer. Bag would suggest the 50% premium to spot currently on offer (which was only 20% in March – link below) will soon be 100%, then 200%, and so on…. They could offer $200 an ounce, and it still won’t balance supply & demand.»

https://bagholder.substack.com/p/learn-from-the-titans

«who cares about the nickel market anyway? It’s small potatoes. Yes, that is true, except for the fact a precedent has now been set. Thanks to the default in the nickel market, there is a tried and true mechanism in place for the exchange to deal with the imminent default in the Gold & Silver Markets. Once again, it will be JP (and some other banks) who are on the short side of the trade, this time to the tune of 100’s of billions. They will need some bailing out from the exchange and likely the government as well. Bagholder is sure they will get it, and you paper longs, if you’re lucky…lol… just might get your dollar back.

With all this in mind, here is your nickel’s worth of free advice: If you hold paper gold or paper silver via the LME, CME, SLV, or GLD, these entities have shown you with the nickel market default, who they really are. You could not ask for a clearer illustration. Take heed. You have been warned – get out NOW, and turn it into physical metal. Otherwise, you better lube up, cause there is an industrial size reaming headed your way.»

https://bagholder.substack.com/p/nickels-worth-of-free-advice

Y puedo seguir enlazando y enlazando sobre las bondades de la plata física…peeeero (siempre hay un pero) voy a un comentario del siguiente y último enlace donde se pone en duda el punto de vista mayoritario de este post scriptum

I read the post you published back in 2013 regarding the silver market then…and where we are today. What is the difference in your sentiment from 2013 to today and why do you think this silver shortage is real.

I contacted an online Silver company I have purchased from in the past and asked if I could buy a few dozen 1000oz Silver bars…the rep said sure. I asked for delivery to a depository…he said no problem. I asked if i could do the transfer today…he said I could, provided he wired funds were in their account before the end of the day.

I see the same thing happening in consumer goods. The news says there are shortages all over the country, yet when I go to Costco, BJ’s, Giant and some local produce stores, they are loaded to the gills with inventory and are constantly replenishing.

So, are these shortages imagined, hyped up, created or real? I know unicorns aren’t real, yet its difficult to discern what is real in the real world…is this by design, meant to confuse and obfuscate?

Disinformation is destructive to those looking to make decisions…and verifying is always a must, when the information defies, what one sees with his very own eyes.

Interested in your thoughts…

https://bagholder.substack.com/p/silver-the-ticking-bomb

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Respuestas:

The difference between today & 2013 is the silver shortage is even greater, as evidenced by the continually rising premiums on both sides of the trade. In 2013 the premiums on the ask side had just started to rise, while there was very little increase on the bid side premiums. This tells me they wanted to scare away potential buyers, but still had enough supply coming in they didn’t need to increase their bids. Silver eagles in the 90’s with silver at $5 were bid spot, ask 50 cents over (10% premium to spot)….by 2013 with silver at $22, bid was still spot ask was $5 over (20% premium to spot). Today with silver at $22, bid is spot + $3.50, ask is $8 over (35% premium). Couple important points, 1. the rising bid price, which was not present (or just starting) in 2013 says they are running out of supply. 2. the continually rising ask price, means they do not want people getting long. 3. It is not just eagles, 10 oz bars, 100 oz bars, rounds, 90% – they are all bid strong, and in short supply, guaranteed. ….. As for your rep with the commercial 1000 oz bars, that is the one kind of silver still readily available, as the public does not like them (they are like 70 pounds – i use one as a doorstop) – ask him if he has a 100 monster boxes for sale AND when can you expect delivery, if he does and delivery is immediate, I want his name…… As for shortages in grocery stores, I see some here in Arizona, but I suspect most of it is BS designed to explain away rising prices.

 
 

Thanks…

I did speak to the rep about 100oz bars, which make sense, if redeeming them in smaller quantities is something one decides to do in the future. The price of rounds, either Maple leaf or Eagles is obnoxious…I won’t buy based on principle and principal. I didn’t go any further asking about monster boxes, just because the price point was not reasonable.

100oz bars are more to my liking, although moving a lot of them isn’t.

Are you a buyer in this market? Or do we still have some blood letting to go in the overall markets?

 
 
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Notice how the high prices relative to spot discourage you from getting long… Always a buyer, for the right price….

 
 
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I am going long on Silver, just not in the retail packaged rounds, which command the higher premium. If those who know something big is coming around the corner in the silver market, not premium is going to deter them from buying. How many times in the past have we heard «this time is different?» Too many…and every time its the same regurgitated crap, year in year out.

I find it interesting how much time has passed between the first article you wrote on Silver, to this last one. Question is…how many more years are we going to wait until the charade in the PM markets is dismantled? The curtains have been pulled back exposing the shenanigans, yet nothing has changed. What ever happened to the Basel III implementation? Wasn’t it supposed to due away with the unallocated position limits which were used to suppress the prices of gold and silver?

This time is no different…at least, not from my perspective. The fact 1000oz bars are still available in volume, tells me the big players aren’t buying. If they were, the supply would be swallowed up by those who are already cornering the market. I can only imagine what 800,000,000 oz of Silver looks like.

Como veis, la evolución en los precios en plata física es lenta pero segura…sobrespot creciente pero el cuándo del cierre del mercado papel es complicao…Habrá que seguir esperando…o no. Que cada cual saque sus propias conclusiones y haga lo que estime oportuno; yo lo tengo claro.

¡Suerte!

Junk Silver / Plata Basura

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(Este 1/2 dollar Barber no es exactamente junk silver 🙂 )

Junk silver is an informal term used in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia for any silver coin that is in fair or cull condition and has no numismatic or collectible value above the bullion value of the silver it contains. Such coins are popular among people seeking to invest in silver, particularly in small amounts. The word «junk» refers only to the value of the coins as collectibles and not to the actual condition of the coins; junk silver is not necessarily scrap silver.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_silver

Resumen de la trayectoria de desaparición de las monedas de oro y plata (pérdidas, fundición, retirada de circulación…)

«Silver and gold coins have always had their own special threats to survival in terms of melting. The gold recall order of 1933 resulted in massive amounts of gold coins being turned in for melting. While it was not the only time gold coins were ever melted, the Mint reported that over 39 percent of all the double eagles ever produce were melted and some 37 percent of all the gold eagles.»

«…silver coins have faced even more periods of destruction than gold. Although the production of both the gold eagle and silver dollar were suspended in 1804 it was the silver dollar that was attracting the most notice as a coin being exported by bullion speculators. In the early 1850s there were virtually no silver coins in circulation as bullion value exceeded face value. The amount of silver being put in these denominations was lowered in 1853, but that meant coins still unreleased were melted and privately held coins of the older and heavier weights were also subject to melting.

With rising silver prices, the temptation to melt silver coins has always been present. When silver soared in the late 1970s on its way to a record $50 price in early 1980, the temptation to melt became more of an imperative and tons of silver coins of all types were destroyed. Refineries were backed up for months. Prices paid for silver coins actually fell far below bullion value during this frantic period. At its widest, 90 percent silver coins worth 36 times face value were bringing only 24 times face.»

«Most of the melting took place in 1979 and 1980, when silver bullion soared to an all-time high of $50 an ounce. At that point, common-date silver coins were worth far more as metal than as money or collectibles. Even scarcer items could be melted at a profit.»

«Those coin melts probably hurt us more than we’ll ever know,» said Leon E. Hendrickson, proprietor of Silver Towne in Winchester, Ind., a dealership that has dealt extensively in bullion-related coins over the years. «They destroyed a lot of our `seed coins’ — the coins that got people started — and put a lot of collectors out of business.»

Hendrickson calculated that during 1979 and 1980, Silver Towne alone processed «thousands of bags» of silver coins that were destined for refiners’ melting pots. He pointed out, however, that while that period marked the peak of the great silver melts, it was really the culmination of a process that had started more than a decade earlier, for silver coins had been melted — surreptitiously at first and later more openly — since the 1960s.

He noted, too, that from the hobby’s standpoint, the loss of silver coins actually took place in two distinct stages: first, their withdrawal from circulation in the mid-1960s; and second, the melting itself. And, while the melting made the losses permanent, the physical withdrawal already had caused the hobby grievous harm.

«Coen estimated that of all the silver coins produced by the United States Mint, only about one-quarter survived the ongoing melts. He confided that he himself sold refiners $400 million worth of fabricated silver, mostly silver coins, during the one-year period from July 1, 1979 to June 30, 1980 — «and,» he commented, «other guys were doing the same thing.»

«With Franklin halves, for instance, I’d hate to say how big a majority were melted, but I know the percentage was high.»

On the contrary, key coins were almost always kept. And this led to one of the most fascinating — and also most significant — after-effects of the melts: a total rearrangement of relative rarity levels in every modern series of silver U.S. coins.

«Essentially,» Carr observed, «the key coins now are common, since they’re the ones that were saved — and the formerly common coins are now rare, since most of them were melted.

«Take Roosevelt dimes, for example. The 1949-S and the 1955-P, D and S are probably the commonest coins in the series today in circulated condition, whereas before the melts they were the scarcest. Being worth a premium, they were saved. In circulated condition, the new key may be the 1946-D or something like that — something where almost every available piece ended up being melted.»

«Forman, for one, questioned whether market analysts will ever really know, with any degree of certainty, just how many silver coins remain and how they break down by date and mint mark. In short, he didn’t believe — and still doesn’t today — that future buyers and sellers will ever again enjoy the security once provided by meaningful mintage figures.»

https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/news/general/where-coins-went-not-always-known-2

Referencia comerciantes (dealer sheet) de la empresa norteamericana Upstate coins utilizada por multitud de negocios al otro lado del atlántico relacionados con moneditas y/o metales preciosos. Actualización diaria.

https://trading.upstatecoins.com/wp-content/uploads/dealer.pdf

Monedas y precios

https://www.silveragecoins.com/es/list?list=4

Corta historia de la historia monetaria USA

https://coinsweekly.com/the-monetary-history-of-the-usa/

 

http://www.coinflation.com/

https://www.pcgs.com/news/after-the-melts-whats-left-in-silver-coins

«When silver hit $50 an ounce, I would say that 98 percent of the silver coins in existence were committed to smelting houses,» he confided. «If the price had been maintained, most everything would have been lost.

«Fortunately,» he added, «the refiners had a two- to three-month backlog, and as silver dropped in value they withdrew a lot of the coins. Even so, it’s scary just thinking of what might have happened.»

P.S. https://coinsweekly.com/how-to-detect-counterfeits-at-all-times-part-1-swiss-vreneli-coins/

Falsificaciones varias de la moneda de oro bullion 20 francos suizos oro vreneli

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vreneli

P.S.II  Desvalijan Lamas Bolaño en Barcelona

https://eltaquigrafo.com/desvalijan-la-camara-acorazada-de-la-empresa-lamas-bolano/16122/