Un amigo tiene un correo electrónico de este estilo: comienzoxxxx@mail.com por lo que, para él, siempre es el principio de algo. El blog será continuista, con duros de oro y plata y otras denominaciones, rusas, falsas…también podéis proponer algo que os interese, que sé yo, la desaparición del dinero en metálico (textual) o ¿la llegada del hombre a la luna por segunda vez? 😉 o…
Рубль. В гуртовой надписи «звезда». Фальшивая в ущерб обращения 1912
Y este finde, 51st Annual New York International Numismatic Convention, con subasta mediante siempre interesante de moneda rusa, antigua e internacional
Esta entrada le pertenece a un amigo, que se ha tomado la molestia de grabar el siguiente vídeo. Gracias
Poco que añadir, salvo las páginas del Krause a las que hace referencia Mr. X 😉
Los precios de catálogo no están actualizados, aunque si lo estuvieran siempre es mejor acudir al mercado de abastos metalero para su comprobación y compra/venta. Por ejemplo https://www.lavetadeoro.com/ aunque no sólo
Hace 50 años estas monedas de oro tenían un mayor sobrespot / estaban más valoradas
Además de los pesos en oro, también los hay de plata…pero esa es otra historia por contar…
P.S. Continuando con el Post Scriptum de la entrada anterior, ahondando en lo que parece una alta demanda de plata por parte de la industria y de los inversores
«Right now the global bank and regulatory community has much bigger, more important fish to fry than the little old stupid silver market. Ultimately leaders do not care about price, they care about speed of rise and headline risk that conveys they are losing control of financial markets. Therefore true price will be the last thing to reflect value as it will not happen overnight, and shorts will use all their considerable power to slow it. Let them. Ultimately the smart banks will be long; just like you and the government. Structural problems can’t be spoofed away. The only thing that can stop this eventuality of repriced Silver is another great depression in our opinion.»
«This is about a plateau price for Silver in the $50s with launching pad prices higher over years. This is a revaluation from real necessary global demand, fractured supply chains, and a shortage of good collateral. It will merely start with a paper short squeeze. This is not AMC or BBBY squeeze that can be printed away. It is a much bigger manifestation of structural deficit. Meme stocks were a warm up of opportunists taking advantage of structural imbalances for short term gains. Silver is a real market. The world just doesn’t know it yet.»
Leyendo los comentarios del enlace anterior encuentro este otro enlace…
«Please take a deep breath and allow the following two sentences to land:
The market is in backwardation because those of us currently holding physical silver, who are being offered the “risk-free” immediate profits plus interest, do not believe for one second the paper promises to get our silver back in the future will be honored. Simply put, the diamond-handed physical longs are calling the bluff on the paper promises offered by the futures market.
For decades now, the futures market has dictated the spot price of metals. Those days are coming to an end. Just this past week, one of the country’s biggest bullion dealers (Apmex) started waving yet another Red flag by putting out a standing offer of Spot + $10 on all the Silver Eagles you want to sell them. That’s $30 an ounce for what the futures market is telling you should cost $20. A 50% premium!! Ask yourself, which price of silver is more accurate: the price the futures market tells you it is, or the price offered by the guy with an open checkbook?»
«Bagholder’s years of experience in the silver market lead him to believe the 50% premium on offer will not be anywhere near sufficient to bring enough supply into the market to meet current demand. TPTB are just chumming the waters with that offer. Bag would suggest the 50% premium to spot currently on offer (which was only 20% in March – link below) will soon be 100%, then 200%, and so on…. They could offer $200 an ounce, and it still won’t balance supply & demand.»
«who cares about the nickel market anyway? It’s small potatoes. Yes, that is true, except for the fact a precedent has now been set. Thanks to the default in the nickel market, there is a tried and true mechanism in place for the exchange to deal with the imminent default in the Gold & Silver Markets. Once again, it will be JP (and some other banks) who are on the short side of the trade, this time to the tune of 100’s of billions. They will need some bailing out from the exchange and likely the government as well. Bagholder is sure they will get it, and you paper longs, if you’re lucky…lol… just might get your dollar back.
With all this in mind, here is your nickel’s worth of free advice: If you hold paper gold or paper silver via the LME, CME, SLV, or GLD, these entities have shown you with the nickel market default, who they really are. You could not ask for a clearer illustration. Take heed. You have been warned – get out NOW, and turn it into physical metal. Otherwise, you better lube up, cause there is an industrial size reaming headed your way.»
Y puedo seguir enlazando y enlazando sobre las bondades de la plata física…peeeero (siempre hay un pero) voy a un comentario del siguiente y último enlace donde se pone en duda el punto de vista mayoritario de estepost scriptum
I read the post you published back in 2013 regarding the silver market then…and where we are today. What is the difference in your sentiment from 2013 to today and why do you think this silver shortage is real.
I contacted an online Silver company I have purchased from in the past and asked if I could buy a few dozen 1000oz Silver bars…the rep said sure. I asked for delivery to a depository…he said no problem. I asked if i could do the transfer today…he said I could, provided he wired funds were in their account before the end of the day.
I see the same thing happening in consumer goods. The news says there are shortages all over the country, yet when I go to Costco, BJ’s, Giant and some local produce stores, they are loaded to the gills with inventory and are constantly replenishing.
So, are these shortages imagined, hyped up, created or real? I know unicorns aren’t real, yet its difficult to discern what is real in the real world…is this by design, meant to confuse and obfuscate?
Disinformation is destructive to those looking to make decisions…and verifying is always a must, when the information defies, what one sees with his very own eyes.
The difference between today & 2013 is the silver shortage is even greater, as evidenced by the continually rising premiums on both sides of the trade. In 2013 the premiums on the ask side had just started to rise, while there was very little increase on the bid side premiums. This tells me they wanted to scare away potential buyers, but still had enough supply coming in they didn’t need to increase their bids. Silver eagles in the 90’s with silver at $5 were bid spot, ask 50 cents over (10% premium to spot)….by 2013 with silver at $22, bid was still spot ask was $5 over (20% premium to spot). Today with silver at $22, bid is spot + $3.50, ask is $8 over (35% premium). Couple important points, 1. the rising bid price, which was not present (or just starting) in 2013 says they are running out of supply. 2. the continually rising ask price, means they do not want people getting long. 3. It is not just eagles, 10 oz bars, 100 oz bars, rounds, 90% – they are all bid strong, and in short supply, guaranteed. ….. As for your rep with the commercial 1000 oz bars, that is the one kind of silver still readily available, as the public does not like them (they are like 70 pounds – i use one as a doorstop) – ask him if he has a 100 monster boxes for sale AND when can you expect delivery, if he does and delivery is immediate, I want his name…… As for shortages in grocery stores, I see some here in Arizona, but I suspect most of it is BS designed to explain away rising prices.
I did speak to the rep about 100oz bars, which make sense, if redeeming them in smaller quantities is something one decides to do in the future. The price of rounds, either Maple leaf or Eagles is obnoxious…I won’t buy based on principle and principal. I didn’t go any further asking about monster boxes, just because the price point was not reasonable.
100oz bars are more to my liking, although moving a lot of them isn’t.
Are you a buyer in this market? Or do we still have some blood letting to go in the overall markets?
I am going long on Silver, just not in the retail packaged rounds, which command the higher premium. If those who know something big is coming around the corner in the silver market, not premium is going to deter them from buying. How many times in the past have we heard «this time is different?» Too many…and every time its the same regurgitated crap, year in year out.
I find it interesting how much time has passed between the first article you wrote on Silver, to this last one. Question is…how many more years are we going to wait until the charade in the PM markets is dismantled? The curtains have been pulled back exposing the shenanigans, yet nothing has changed. What ever happened to the Basel III implementation? Wasn’t it supposed to due away with the unallocated position limits which were used to suppress the prices of gold and silver?
This time is no different…at least, not from my perspective. The fact 1000oz bars are still available in volume, tells me the big players aren’t buying. If they were, the supply would be swallowed up by those who are already cornering the market. I can only imagine what 800,000,000 oz of Silver looks like.
Como veis, la evolución en los precios en plata física es lenta pero segura…sobrespot creciente pero el cuándo del cierre del mercado papel es complicao…Habrá que seguir esperando…o no. Que cada cual saque sus propias conclusiones y haga lo que estime oportuno; yo lo tengo claro.
Buen ambiente a esta hora. Saludando a los conocidos y conociendo a los desconocidos.
Unos cuantos bonitos patagones, ducatones…
Poco cliente final, media de edad elevada… intercambio de mismos puntos de vista, harto debatidos pero sin organizador de puesta de cascabel al gato … de Schrödinger https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_de_Schr%C3%B6dinger Nada que mirar. ¡Circulen!
Para saber más, leer enlace superior de imperio-numismático. No me gusta enrollarme ni repetir lo ya dicho. Un saludo a todos los asistentes a la convención de hoy. ¡Gracias!.
Como cada año por estas fechas, los integrantes (algunos, los que podemos) del Grupo Madrid de reversoyanverso (RyA) http://reversoyanverso.com/ nos reunimos en una comida navideña, previa votación de fechas, para compartir la afición, aunque no sólo….y casi es lo de menos, aunque, por supuesto, siempre surja el tema. Uno de los integrantes del grupo (siempre el mismo; gracias) reserva sitio y…allá vamos.
A la entrada del restaurante, con unas frescas cervecitas entre manos, los saludos y abrazos. En los entrantes, ya sentados a la mesa, procedemos con las novedades y chascarrillos diversos, tengan que ver con la numismática / notafilia o no. Unos se van a dar la vuelta al mundo en barco y otros el lunes a currar. Como somos fáciles con la carta, carne y más detalles entre bromas y risas. Alguno más veterano en el grupo cuenta alguna curiosidad «paleozoica» 😉 A los postres aparecen algunas monedas y/o billetes, acompañados de vodka y licores. Comienza la sobremesa, salpicada de guiños cariñosos entre nosotros…Tiene poco sentido relatar lo que sucede en estas reuniones/kedadas…hay que estar aquí 🙂
Bastante pasadas las seis (6) de la tarde nos despedimos…aunque «los últimos de Filipinas» vamos a por la penúltima en un bar cercano. Seguimos hablando de todo un poco (libros, salud, cuestiones personales)…y llega el momento de la despedida…Siempre es un placer compartir con vosotros estos momentos. Gracias, Amigos.
Hemos quedado a las 11 en el caballo, para variar 😉
Tras el paseo entre los puestos de la Plaza Mayor, con mayor o menor fortuna en la búsqueda del tesoro de algunos, unas cañitas en el lugar de costumbre. También hay entrega de material al ser primer domingo de mes.
Estoy escribiendo esto el lunes 5, tras pasar la tarde de ayer entre dormitando («reventao») y recordando los días pasados; intensos, interesantes y, sobretodo, entrañables / arquetípicos / locuaces / beneméritos / fructíferos… La lista de agradecimientos es muy larga por lo que lo dejaré así: GRACIAS a tod@s
1. f. Discreta obsesión en el atesoramiento colecciofóbico de piezas de oro, plata, cobre u otro metal, regularmente en forma de disco y acuñadas con los distintivos elegidos por la autoridad emisora para acreditar su legitimidad y valor, y, por ext., billetes o papeles multicolor de curso legal.
En el transcurso de este año ha habido de todo. Desde lectores agradecidos hasta furibundos ataques personales. No se puede caer bien a todo el mundo; a todos os deseo lo que os merezcáis, por aquello del karma y tal y, en cualquier caso, que se cumplan vuestros deseos, siempre y cuando no interfieran con «no hagas a los demás lo que no quieras que te hagan a ti». Si, se acerca la Navidad.
El año blogero por delante se presenta interesante, con una menor carga de indefinición y «que pasará» aunque siempre abierto a nuevas experiencias y/o aventuras numismáticas. Mucho me queda por aprender, de la mano de todos vosotros.
22 de septiembre y varios frentes abiertos. Vamos por partes, sin tener a Jack en cuenta
1.- Vico y Aureo han finalizado sus subastas. Vico no ha vendido los lotes 294, 295, 296 y 303 como era de esperar dados los astronómicos precios de salida para esas calidades
De Aureo he recibido información solicitada de algunos lotes de lo que les queda de la repesca y los estoy valorando porque los que hubiera comprado sin pensármelo mucho ya están vendidos. Probablemente les pida información de alguna otra moneda, a ver si hay suerte y no la han vendido aún.
Se te lee un poco «atorao» y se te ve en las fotos nervioso. Pareces haber perdido los papeles entre tanto insulto, inquina, y descalificación personal contra mi. No es mi estilo. Mi turno de réplica se lo dejo interiorizar a los lectores de blogs/bitácoras con criterio propio y capacidad analítico-deductiva. ¿Por qué tanta saña y sinrazón?
3.- He mandado de nuevo correo electrónico al Sr letrado de la AENP solicitando fehaciente acuse de recibo, con copias a los correos electrónicos públicos de Cayon y Subastas Hervera, Presidente y Vicepresidente respectivamente de la AENP. No lo pego aquí de nuevo dado que es este mismo https://moneditis.com/2014/09/16/aenp-me-amenaza-con-emprender-acciones-legales/
Probablemente yo haya tenido algo que ver con el hecho. No importa realmente. Gracias. Entre todos le hemos puesto pesos (masa) a los lotes en subasta. Alguna menos nos colarán, me da igual si intencionadamente o no porque es lo de menos. Yo no quiero tener falsas en mi colección. Sencillo a vosotros. Lo importante es que no tendré/tendréis/tendremos que enviar por correo electrónico largas listas de lotes solicitando fotos y datos a esta casa de subastas y , en mi caso, colgarlos posteriormente aquí…aunque ¿publican todos los lotes con foto? ¿todos los lotes presentan el peso(masa)? Habrá que mirarlo y seguirlo. También atención a los lotes de conjunto, que suelen venderse sin posibilidad de devolución ni reclamación
Lote 294: 30,7 gr. Lote 295: 31,6 gr. Lote 296: 31,7 gr. Lote 303: 31,8 gr. Lote 312: 24,6 gr. Ligeramente alabeada. Fuertes concreciones. Lote 315: 27,0 gr. Acuñación floja. Bonita pieza. Lote 320: 27,1 gr. Lote 321: 26,8 gr. Lote 322: 26,9 gr. Lote 323: 26,9 gr. Lote 324: 26,6 gr.
Datos y fotos recibidos de Aureo
1087 – 33,64 grs
1088 – 33,68 grs
1195 – 27,62 grs
1282 – 26,37 grs
1284 – 26,84 grs
1286 – no es posible pesarla
1288 – 26,83 grs – Limpiada
1292 – 22,05 grs
1304 – 26,77 grs
1340 – 26,89 grs
1341 – 26,97 grs – Golpecitos
1343 – 26,82 grs
1346 – 26,75 grs
1347 – 26,86 grs
1354 – 26,50 grs
1355 – 26,88 grs
1356 – 26,78 grs – Manchitas
1357 – 26,74 grs – Manchita
1358 – 26,81 grs
1359 – 26,82 grs
1362 – 26,57 grs
1363 – 26,78 grs – Manchitas
1364 – 26,69 grs – Manchitas
1365 – 26,54 grs
1408 – 26,96 grs
1467 – 26,68 grs
1468 – 26,82 grs
1469 – 26,70 grs – Golpecitos
1499 – 12,84 grs
1503 – 26,92 grs
1516 – 27,15 grs – Rayitas
1521 – 26,94 grs – Acuñación floja
1522 – 27,04 grs
1523 – 26,96 grs – Golpecitos
1524 – 26,98 grs – Golpecitos
1525 – 26,95 grs
1527 – 26,74 grs – Golpecitos
2200 – 26,71 grs
2201 – 26,81 grs
2752 – 20,07 grs
2753 – 20,66 grs
2756 – 12,96 grs – Golpecitos
2960 – 5 kopeks (0,89 grs), 15 kopeks (2,59 grs) y 1 rublo (13,34 grs, con envoltorio)
a vosotros. Lo importante es que no tendré/tendréis/tendremos que enviar por correo electrónico largas listas de lotes solicitando fotos y datos a esta casa de subastas y , en mi caso, colgarlos posteriormente aquí…aunque ¿publican todos los lotes con foto? ¿todos los lotes presentan el peso(masa)? Habrá que mirarlo y seguirlo. También atención a los lotes de conjunto, que suelen venderse sin posibilidad de devolución ni reclamación
moneditis real deaocho 
Thanks…
I did speak to the rep about 100oz bars, which make sense, if redeeming them in smaller quantities is something one decides to do in the future. The price of rounds, either Maple leaf or Eagles is obnoxious…I won’t buy based on principle and principal. I didn’t go any further asking about monster boxes, just because the price point was not reasonable.
100oz bars are more to my liking, although moving a lot of them isn’t.
Are you a buyer in this market? Or do we still have some blood letting to go in the overall markets?
Notice how the high prices relative to spot discourage you from getting long… Always a buyer, for the right price….
I am going long on Silver, just not in the retail packaged rounds, which command the higher premium. If those who know something big is coming around the corner in the silver market, not premium is going to deter them from buying. How many times in the past have we heard «this time is different?» Too many…and every time its the same regurgitated crap, year in year out.
I find it interesting how much time has passed between the first article you wrote on Silver, to this last one. Question is…how many more years are we going to wait until the charade in the PM markets is dismantled? The curtains have been pulled back exposing the shenanigans, yet nothing has changed. What ever happened to the Basel III implementation? Wasn’t it supposed to due away with the unallocated position limits which were used to suppress the prices of gold and silver?
This time is no different…at least, not from my perspective. The fact 1000oz bars are still available in volume, tells me the big players aren’t buying. If they were, the supply would be swallowed up by those who are already cornering the market. I can only imagine what 800,000,000 oz of Silver looks like.