Subastas Reales Rusas

Enlace a mi tienda en ebid. Iré subiendo más moneditas de mi colección


Noviembre es un mes intercalado entre octubre y diciembre…de paso, por el medio… por lo que voy a echar un vistazo a las subastas de Sedwick y Konros, USA y Rusia, a falta de nada mejor que hacer… numismáticamente hablando  🙂  Añadir que, por la cercanía de la Navidad, todos los años desde hace unos cuantos, siempre hay una gran concentración de subastas por estas fechas; mera política comercial.

Multitud de lingotes, macuquinas, peluconas, galanos, onzas…

Mexico City, Mexico, cob 8 escudos Royal (galano), 1713J, extremely rare, NGC MS 66, finest and only example graded by NGC, ex-1715 Fleet (designated on special label). S-M30; Cal-2194; KM-R57.1. 27.03 grams. From the 1715 Fleet (Corrigan’s site), pictured on the cover of the November-December 1998 issue of Treasure Quest (a copy of which is included), with Fisher photo-certificate #42933, ex-Rudman. NGC #5909759-001.

Without question, the pinnacle of Spanish colonial coinage is the Mexican 8 escudos Royal (galano), a coin so large and beautiful and perfect as to be considered among the most desirable gold coins in the world. These 8 escudos Royals are quite rare, currently represented by just over 40 specimens across about a dozen dates within the 53-year span in which Mexico made gold cobs (1680-1732). There is no mistaking these special coins; while some regular cob issues come close (normally they are chunky and misshapen) and even some regular-planchet issues were struck with Royal dies (arguably trial or test strikes), only true Royals are perfectly round and evenly struck on planchets of uniform thickness, not to mention that they were generally struck with obverse and reverse in medallic alignment (the present specimen actually rotated 90 degrees, but still oriented with cross aligned). These are formal presentation pieces, to be sure, but the exact purpose of Royals remains unknown, the details behind their commission apparently missing in archival records beyond simple line-item figures labeled “galanos.” While some dates of 8 escudos Royals today are represented by multiple specimens (the most abundant being 1702, 1711 and 1714) others are extremely rare or even unique. The date 1713 is in fact among the rarest, with only two known, the specimen offered here being the finer of the two and the only one graded by NGC. In terms of condition and quality of strike, we feel it is also among the finest of all the known dates.

Like the majority of known 8 escudos Royals, this coin was recovered from the wreckage of the Spanish Plate Fleet of 1715, eleven ships sunk on the reefs off the east coast of Florida in a hurricane in July 1715. It was actually two fleets, the combined Tierra Firme Fleet coming from Cartagena loaded with Peruvian and Colombian treasures, and the New Spain Fleet coming from Mexico with freshly minted coins and Asian jewels from the Manila Galleon trade, united in Havana for the northeasterly trip back to Spain. What had been an annual system of shipping to and from the New World was delayed for many years by the War of Spanish Succession after Charles II’s death in 1700, causing the treasure to pile up in Mexico and Colombia. Spain desperately needed this wealth back home and could not wait for the Fleet to delay any longer when it finally left Havana in July, evidently right into the path of a hurricane. There were many survivors, who encamped on the shores opposite the wrecks, and Spain was able to organize some salvage, only to experience their other nemesis when pirates absconded with much of the recovered treasure. It is impossible to say how much of the 1715 Fleet treasure was saved in its time, or even how much was on board (as contraband could account for perhaps double the amount on the manifest); suffice to say the currently eight known wrecksites (some of which may be parts of the same ship) from present-day Melbourne down to Stuart (aptly called the “Treasure Coast”) have kept divers and beachcombers busy since at least the early 1960s, when Kip Wagner and the Real Eight Co. began organized salvage and instituted a State lease system that is still in place today. The first Royals, in fact, were found by Real Eight and offered at auction as early as 1964.

The coin we are offering here was recovered in August 1998, the find of a lifetime for diver Clyde Kuntz of the salvage vessel Bookmaker (captained by Greg Bounds), under a lease held by the Mel Fisher company , whose photo-certificate (“GRADE: One ++”) accompanies the coin. According to the November-December 1998 issue of Treasure Quest magazine, the cover of which features a photo of this coin, Clyde was working the “Corrigan’s” site , about five miles north of Vero Beach, when on the same day he found both this coin and another 8 escudos Royal dated 1698 (currently unique) that is now permanently housed in the State of Florida collection. The biggest single find of Royals came in the 2015 diving season, in which a staggering ten pieces (dated 1711, 1712 and 1715) were recovered under leases held by Queens Jewels, LLC (the current owner of the 1715-Fleet site leases). Subsequently, we appraised those coins for millions of dollars for Queens Jewels and the State of Florida, which gets a 20% cut of all finds.

The only other known 1713 example , reportedly found on the beach in the 1980s, made headlines in 1985 when it was sold at the January F.U.N. auction (Kurt Krueger) in Florida. The same coin sold in Switzerland in 1991 as part of the Emilio Ortiz collection. According to census information, that coin has not been graded, but we note that it was struck on a smaller flan (also slightly lower weight, at 26.84 grams) with slightly fewer peripheral details than the piece we offer here.

While any one of the Royals is a joy to behold, with full and well-struck details on big, round flans, in our 2015 appraisal we noted that there is actually a good bit of difference in quality (strike and condition) between all the known specimens, even within the same date, in addition to the differences in rarity. Anyone who has ever attempted striking a coin by hand knows that making coins like these requires great strength and dexterity. Hitting on dead center with full pressure on the entire canvas—without bouncing the hammer—is easier said than done. It is no exaggeration to say that a well-struck handmade coin demonstrates a level of skill far greater than what is required to make a beautiful milled coin. In fact, at least one researcher asserts instead that Mexican Royals must have been struck with a screw-press instead, using multiple pressings to achieve such completeness of detail. Also consider the dies: Each Royal die was specially prepared with as much care and aesthetics as the mint could muster, using the same punches available for regular issues but with greater attention paid to concatenation and placement, usually allowing for more ornamentation in the legends and around the inner details. The 1713 issue, for example, has strange X-shaped flowers that appear both as stops in the legend and as space-fillers in the four “corners” of the shield (an aspect of this date only). Presumably important and wealthy people (some would say the King himself) were depending on the mint to make these jewels as near to perfect as possible.

The twelve or thirteen known dates come in five basic types, most easily recognized by their styles of crosses:
Plain Cross: 1695 , 1698
Box-End Cross: 1702
Crosslet Cross: 1711, 1712, 1713
New Cross: 1714
New Cross with Bouquets: 1715, 1717, 1718 (if it exists), 1723, 1728/5, 1729
It should be noted that regular-issue 8 escudos also use these styles, in addition to two more types (used concurrently with others) that at present are NOT represented by any Royals:
Jeweled Cross: 1680-1699
Ornate-Tressure Cross: 1711-1712

While each date within the Crosslet-Cross type of Royals dated 1711-1713 is slightly different in execution, the basic design did not change and in fact marks the end of a rustic style replaced in 1714 with a vastly sharper and more polished design, which some believe can be traced to the implementation of press-type machinery. These post-1713 issues are also generally on smaller, thicker flans.

The 1713 we offer here—arguably finer than any of the known 1711’s and 1712’s and easily superior to the other known 1713—therefore represents the final perfection of the rustic style of the Crosslet-Cross type. Of course the complete lack of wear is a factor, but there is more to it than that: This coin is just SO WELL STRUCK that it glistens from every angle, its color changing from yellow to gold as it turns in the light, the exceptionally deep and skillful strike making sharp peaks out of every design element, with near-perfect centering (especially the obverse) and no doubling or weakness anywhere, all on a huge and essentially flawless flan that extends beyond the outer border of dots. This is best appreciated in hand, or at least in video, where movement reveals the flash of luster that so distinguishes this coin. Just as it has been up till now (in the Isaac Rudman numismatic cabinet), such a perfect specimen will be at home in any of the best coin collections currently being formed around the world, whether focused on colonials, U.S., world or even shipwreck. Mexican 8 escudos as a type are so rare that we have never offered one in our auctions before, and we are honored that our first is indeed one of the most beautiful coins we have ever offered. It will be hard to match this rarity and perfection for a long time.

Updated Census of Known Mexican 8 Escudos Royals by Date
Date King Assayer Quantity known
1695 Charles II L 1
1698 Charles II L 1
1702 Philip V J 7
1711 Philip V J 8
1712 Philip V J 4
1713 Philip V J 2
1714 Philip V J 9
1715 Philip V J 5
1717 Philip V J 1
1718 Philip V J 0
1723 Philip V J 1
1728/5 Phi.V/Louis I D 1
1729 Philip V R 1


– As the table at the end of this article shows, only twelve dates are confirmed, with one more mentioned in references.

– Mel Fisher had worked with Real Eight from 1963 to 1972 and then moved to Key West to pursue salvage on the 1622 Fleet (Atocha and Santa Margarita). Real Eight maintained the 1715-Fleet leases until abandoning them in 1977. Mel Fisher resumed salvage on the 1715 Fleet in 1979. In 2010, Mel Fisher’s family sold the leases to Queens Jewels LLC, which manages salvage there today.

– The wrecksites of the 1715 Fleet are referred to by nicknames as opposed to the actual names of the ships themselves, because in most cases it is uncertain where each of the ships sank. “Corrigan’s” is named after 1950s beachcomber Hugh Corrigan, whose house fronted that stretch of beach.

– Amazingly, this other 1713 was struck from different dies from the present coin. In fact, most if not all of the non-unique dates exhibit multiple dies. Our theory is that the amount of striking pressure required to properly make these big coins with full and bold details caused the dies to break after only a few strikes, and probably there were lots of failed attempts that were just re-melted. While it seems like a waste of resources to make fresh dies to net just a few coins (or less!), consider that these were special issues commissioned by or for wealthy dignitaries who could afford the extra expense and didn’t need lots of coins.

– The single-known specimen of the date 1695, originally sold in the Ubilla-Echevez auction by Christensen in 1967, set a record in 2009 for the most ever paid for a Spanish American gold coin at close to $600,000.
The “bouquets” are floral-bouquet ornaments in the dimples of the tressures and appear only on Royals. They are not the same as the “daggers” in the same positions on the New Cross issues of 1714 and 1715.

– Researcher Philip Flemming points out that the Plain Cross was “aesthetically a better choice” for Royals than the Jeweled Cross, but why the Ornate-Tressure Cross was not used on Royals is a mystery (December 2016 issue of the U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association’s Journal).

– This table is adapted from Kent Ponterio’s preface to Ponterio and Associates’ Auction #108 on April 7-8, 2000. Kent listed only publicly known examples, with detailed information of their appearances. Our only updates to Kent’s work are the addition of ten 8 escudos Royals found in 2015 (seven 1711s, two 1712s and one 1715) and a correction to the 1728 (now recognized as 1728/5 and PHILIPPVS/LVDOVICVS).

– Spanish references by Calicó (Numismática española [2020] and La Onza [2004]) and Tauler (Oro Macuquino [2011]) do list the date 1718, but without photos or any other information. The whereabouts of any specimen(s) is unknown to us, so for now we treat it as quantity 0.

Lote 487. Nueva clasificación / asignada erróneamente con anterioridad

Lote 490. Raro galano

Y muchas moneditas más, además de objetos de naufragio, joyas…Curiosa subasta. ¡Os invito a dar una vuelta y disfrutarla! Habrá que estar atentos a los precios de adjudicación.

Más asequible – menos exclusiva, además de muchas otras diferencias y/o características, es la subasta de noviembre en sala de Konros

Pocos oros a la venta; hay demanda – poca disponibilidad. Bastantes rublos y medios de plata, además de denominaciones menores

Adjudicado en 155.000 rublos + comisión (+- 1.900 €)

Рубль 1723 года «В горностаевой мантии»

В 1723 году портрет на рублевых монетах меняется, причем дважды. Первый вариант — у нумизматов он получил прозвище «тигровик» – примечателен тем, что на нем латы царя прикрыты горностаевой мантией, а на груди — знаки ордена Св. Андрея Первозванного. В обрезе рукава вновь появляется знак ОК. Выделяют четыре типа лицевой стороны по наличию и размеру андреевского креста на груди.

Разновидности оборотной стороны различаются расположением букв легенды против i.

Гуртовая надпись – «Российский рубль Московского двора», по всей видимости, такое обозначение продукции московского Кадашевского двора связано с ожидаемым началом работы нового монетного двора в Санкт-Петербурге.

Легенда лицевой стороны – «Петр А (Алексеевич) Император и Самодержец Всероссийский», оборотной – «Монета новая цена рубль» и дата арабскими цифрами. Проба — 729, вес 28, 44 грамма.

96 копеек 1757

Adjudicado en 160.000 rublos + comisión (+- 1.950 €)

96 копеек «Ливонез»

Следующий номинал является очень непривычным для российской системы денежного обращения, поскольку ориентирован не на десятеричную, талерную. Внешнеполитические успехи елизаветинского времени оставили свой след в двух региональных выпусках монет. Первый — это монеты для прибалтийских провинций Ливонии и Эстляндии.

Необычный номинал свидетельствует о попытке привязать русскую денежную систему к талерной, основанной на 12-кратном счете и привычной для населения провинций. На оборотных сторонах монет 96, 48 и 24 копейки в клювах орла на лентах подвешены гербы городов Риги и Ревеля (с 1917 года — Таллин).

Чеканились в Москве на Красном дворе петербургскими штемпелями работы Б. Скотта.

Лицевая сторона — портрет императрицы, оборотная — российский двуглавый орел с гербами Риги и Ревеля и надпись MONETA LIVOESTHONICA, цифра 96 и дата. Проба — 750, нормативный вес — 26,38 грамма, гурт — узор.

Por aquí os dejo los enlaces de las dos (2) últimas subastas en sala anteriores, para que comparéis

P.S. En próxima subasta de Vico, curioso 8 escudos platino 1776 – Lima, falsa de época

Lot 538         Starting Price: 600 EUR  Minimum bid: 600 EUR

8 escudos. 1776. Lima. MI. Falsa de época en platino dorado. 27,1 g. Barrera-358. MBC+.

Abriendo la imagen en pestaña aparte se aprecian mejor los detalles

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Degussa en Madrid III

Anteriores entradas sobre Degussa

Ya he accedido al interior, aunque después de, más o menos, media hora esperando, me fui sin haber sido atendido. El vigilante, muy amablemente, me daba alguna excusa cada 10 minutos sobre que estaba haciendo algo la señorita que debía atenderme. Pedí permiso para hacer fotos y aquí están algunas.

Platino en formato onza

Si hubiera tenido que tirar de imágenes de prensa…

Se atreven incluso con algo (testimonial) de moneda histórica… saben que no es lo suyo pero si a algún despistado caprichoso le gusta…No voy a comentar nada sobre precios 😉

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Notificad@s por mi parte, amablemente, estos errores/erratas/links rotos (imágenes colección lingotes Rothschild). Sin respuesta

La zona de espera es bastante amplia, con dos ambientes y unas cómodas sillas/sofá. De las zonas interiores donde se vende y almacena el metal podré hablar la próxima vez, supongo

Bonito ajedrez en plata para darle cañita a Viktor, Andrei, Sergey… jeje… Esto de ser medio ruso tiene sus particularidades, faltaría más.

Yéndome sin haber conseguido entrar en la, supuesta, zona noble-comercial

¡Hasta la próxima!

ps Catálogos adecuados, creo. Unas imágenes de muestra.

psII Entré hace unas cuantas semanas para preguntar un par de dudas sobre sus productos y, ante la infructuosa espera, tiré las fotos que «adornan» esta entrada, recuperada ahora del baúl.


De aquí

«…Existencias mundiales totales de Oro: 151 mil toneladas + 51 mil toneladas, nos da un total de 202 mil toneladas de oro»

«…Existencias mundiales totales de Plata: 1.025.000 toneladas»

«Podemos concluir que el ratio de existencias mundiales totales de oro y plata es de 5

1.025.000 toneladas Ag : 202.000 toneladas Au = 5

Por cada onza de oro que existe en el planeta, existen aproximadamente 5 onzas de plata.

La plata es una materia prima cada vez más escasa que se ha consumido y se continúa consumiendo mientras que el oro se acumula. Por sus múltiples aplicaciones se considera que la plata tiene un valor “intrínseco” mayor al del oro.

Irán surgiendo “sustitutos” en algunas aplicaciones, pero esto no sucederá “de la noche a la mañana”.  Por lo tanto este ratio de 1 a 5 seguirá su tendencia a la baja.

En aproximadamente unos 10 años se empezaran a agotar las minas primarias de plata, si bien se seguirá obteniendo como subproducto de la extracción de cobre y zinc pero en menor cantidad.

Otros ratios interesantes



«…Los clientes de The Perth Mint gastan una media del 20 a 25% del total de ventas en plata en relación al oro. En cambio, para The US Mint el ratio de venta en dólares para la plata y el oro es de 1 a 1 en muchas ocasiones. O sea, que la cantidad de dólares que se gastan los clientes en dólares de media al mes en plata es equivalente al dinero invertido en onzas de oro.

El valor medio de The US Mint en el mismo periodo que The Perth Mint es del 74% del gasto en productos  de plata de inversión. Para The Royal Canadian Mint (Casa de la Moneda de Canadá), la plata supone el 62% en comparación con la inversión en oro en 2014. Las diferencias entre las distintas cecas es probablemente debido a variaciones en las preferencias de los clientes para el oro y la plata…»

Mineral Commodity Summaries

Mineral Commodity Summaries

Mineral Commodity Summaries

Mineral Commodity Summaries

En resumidas cuentas; parece que la plata ha de tender (lo que no significa que finalmente lo haga) a subir su precio en moneda fiat, €, $…aunque lo verdaderamente interesante será si el fiat desaparece, tragado por los billones de deuda 😉

Siempre nos queda/quedará la plata con facial para los menos arriesgados como yo, léase 10 € alemanes, 20 fr suizos, 12 € españoles…pagando un sobrespot importante por el metal pero asegurando en divisa fuerte, en caso de las monedas suizas, además del tema colección.

ps Cuidado con las onzas falsas, que también las hay

Museo Arqueológico Nacional fragata Mercedes

Museo Arqueológico Nacional – MAN- sito en la c/ Serrano 13 de Madrid

Exposición temporal sobre la fragata Mercedes

Y el folleto en pdf

Tenéis una galería de imágenes interesante en su página web. No obstante aquí os dejo unas cuantas de mi cosecha propia, incluyendo maqueta de la fragata Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes y de las Ánimas y muestrario de 1772  de las nuevas monedas de busto de Carlos III. ¡¡Qué lo disfrutéis tanto como yo!!

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¡Atentos a los detalles de los cantos de los reales deaocho!

P.S. Dossier de prensa

Microsoft Word - DOSSIER LA MERCEDES.doc

Museo Naval fragata Mercedes

El Museo Naval, sito en el Paseo del Prado 5 de Madrid


acoge una pequeña parte de los restos de la fragata Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes, hundida a traición el 5 de octubre de 1804 por los nada caballerosos británicos frente a las costas del Algarve portugués y famosa a posteriori  por el rescate de Odyssey y posterior juicio en EEUU y repatriación de parte de los restos a España, donde nada se hace para el rescate de pecios pero todos los políticos que mínimamente han tenido algo que ver con este asunto se cuelgan la oportuna medallita. Triste pero es lo que hay.


Como veis, las monedas de plata están más deterioradas que las de oro, muchas menos estas últimas en proporción.

Y ya que estaba, aquí os dejo unas fotos de un bonito mascarón de proa, de Blas de Lezo «medio-hombre», de la maqueta de un galeón, el Nuestra Señora de la Concepción y de las Ánimas -largo de escribir en el casco del buque- y el detalle de sus cañones



Si «clickais» sobre las imágenes podréis ampliarlas a vuestro gusto para apreciar mejor los detalles.

SILVER – $150/oz Possible In Coming Months Due To Tiny Size Of Physical Market

– Why Silver is in a Bull Market and How High Could it Go?
– Is Silver About Returns Or A Hedge Against Inflation & Systemic Risk?
– Silver: Very Small Global Supply
– Silver’s Unique Properties
– Silver: Increasing Technological, Industrial and Medical Demand
– Silver: Increasing Investment Demand
– Silver Undervalued Versus Gold
– Conclusion

Y los comentarios posteriores, impagables

infiniti's picture

«Silver is a hedge against macroeconomic, systemic, geopolitical and inflationary risk with the attractive added potential for significant capital gains.»

Clearly silver is not a hedge against inflation, as your chart shows, the inflation-adjusted price has fallen for the better part of 250 years.

Neither silver nor gold show a positive correlation with inflation.


therover's picture

My opinion is let silver stay in the 18-21 range for years to come. I buy silver bullion every week and at that price, it’s a bargain. Started buying silver for my son when he was born in 1999. Too bad I did not have as much extra scratch back then as I do now !

My philosophy is simple. The silver (and gold) I buy is for him, so he can have a tangible asset in his possession in the future, that I believe will be worth more than it was when bought, and preserve it’s purchasing power when currencies shit the bed. It’s not an investment per se, and I don’t trade it ( I have every gram/ounce I ever purchased as well as every silver coin found via change or metal detecting…a hobby that can find precious metal, jewlery and change that can be converted into silver/gold bullion !).

I tell everyone I know, if you have a few extra bucks at the end of the week, buy an ASE or any other bullion coin from a local dealer ( even if the premium is a bit higher than the bigger guys). Get to know a coil dealer near you. The bullion coins, as well as the 90% silver coins, are really cool pieces of art, they feel good in your hand and WILL preserve purchasing power in the future better than ANY fiat currency…it’s PROVEN.


TVP's picture

Heard it all before, a million times.


Gold going to $10,000 an ounce, silver to $150 an ounce or higher.


Sounds great, but never seems to materialize.  All the arguments for it seems logical, yet never play out in reality.


33% rise, huh?  I’m out about 33% of my initial investment in silver since I started believing these Ron Paul types.  Fucking con men and controlled resistance, all of them.