Monetary Metals Supply and Demand Report: 1 Mar, 2015

One almost gets the sense that a significant event is going to happen soon. The wisdom of our old friend Gandalf has been paraphrased a number of times in this Report. To quote from him again (not paraphrasing at all this time), “Tt’s the deep breath before the plunge.”

We don’t necessarily mean a plunge in the price of gold measured in dollars. It could be a plunge in the price of the dollar. And there many other currencies that look ready to plunge. For that matter, the dollar is currently 25.6mg gold. There is no reason it couldn’t be 16mg again, as it was in 2011.

Others are looking for it too, some in all the wrong places. Such as an absurd claim, floating around this week about Apple. One version of their new Watch is made out of gold metal. The claim is that Apple is buying a third of the world’s gold. “Hold on to your gold, boys and girls, because gold’s gonna go up!” Well, except for the fact that the stocks of gold have been accumulating for at least 5000 years. All of that vast stockpile is potential supply. Apple cannot make a dent in that.

For a real picture of the supply and demand fundamentals of gold and silver, read on…

First, here is the graph of the metals’ prices.

The Prices of Gold and Silver
letter mar 1 prices

We are interested in the changing equilibrium created when some market participants are accumulating hoards and others are dishoarding. Of course, what makes it exciting is that speculators can (temporarily) exaggerate or fight against the trend. The speculators are often acting on rumors, technical analysis, or partial data about flows into or out of one corner of the market. That kind of information can’t tell them whether the globe, on net, is hoarding or dishoarding.

One could point out that gold does not, on net, go into or out of anything. Yes, that is true. But it can come out of hoards and into carry trades. That is what we study. The gold basis tells us about this dynamic.

Conventional techniques for analyzing supply and demand are inapplicable to gold and silver, because the monetary metals have such high inventories. In normal commodities, inventories divided by annual production (stocks to flows) can be measured in months. The world just does not keep much inventory in wheat or oil.

With gold and silver, stocks to flows is measured in decades. Every ounce of those massive stockpiles is potential supply. Everyone on the planet is potential demand. At the right price, and under the right conditions. Looking at incremental changes in mine output or electronic manufacturing is not helpful to predict the future prices of the metals. For an introduction and guide to our concepts and theory, click here.

Next, this is a graph of the gold price measured in silver, otherwise known as the gold to silver ratio. It moved down this week.

The Ratio of the Gold Price to the Silver Price
letter mar 1 ratio

For each metal, we will look at a graph of the basis and cobasis overlaid with the price of the dollar in terms of the respective metal. It will make it easier to provide terse commentary. The dollar will be represented in green, the basis in blue and cobasis in red.

Here is the gold graph.

The Gold Basis and Cobasis and the Dollar Price
letter mar 1 gold

Gold bulls will be excited to see that even though the price was up $11 (i.e. the dollar was down about ¼ mg), the cobasis (scarcity) rose. The April gold contract is now in backwardation. A very slight backwardation.

Our calculated fundamental price of gold was unchanged this week. It’s still about $50 over the current market price.

Now let’s look at silver.

The Silver Basis and Cobasis and the Dollar Price
letter mar 1 silver

The price of silver went up 33 cents, and whatddya know, the cobasis (scarcity) rose big-time. This pattern also occurs in farther-out contracts, if with a bit less magnitude.

Perhaps the small savers in Greece (where a bank run appears to be happening), or Ukraine (where the currency is in outright collapse, or any number of other countries have decided it’s better to hold money than government debt paper. And perhaps silver is affordable to them but gold is too expensive. Whatever the reason, a small and potentially significant shift in the fundamentals has occurred in silver.

That said, silver speculators should not get too excited yet. Although we calculate a fundamental price 50 cents higher than we did last week, it’s still more than a buck fifty below the market price.

Perhaps the fundamentals will continue to tighten. However that’s not a bet we would recommend just yet.

 

© 2015 Monetary Metals

10 Responses to Monetary Metals Supply and Demand Report: 1 Mar, 2015

  1. Bob March 2, 2015 at 12:51 am #

    I am certainly going to celebrate when the silver fundamental price finally rises above market price! It is just so difficult for me to believe the god’s (pathogen killing) gift to mankind element can be valued so low for so long. I think of all pathogens engulfing those paper debt FRNs that circulate, just disgusting! I can’t help but think silver was created to be perfect pocket money. If we could only stick to the wisdom imbedded in our constitution. How many books did Jefferson read to become so impressively educated and wise?

    Thank you much for this info!

    • RD March 2, 2015 at 9:39 am #

      If several additional hundreds of tons of physical gold purchase would not add a single once of strain to the gold market, why are you losing your time with this gold basis story ?

      • Keith Weiner March 2, 2015 at 11:10 am #

        RD: Sorry, there is a half-formed statement hiding in a half formed question. Could you please clarify both?

        • RD March 2, 2015 at 11:57 am #

          What I said is just it is obvious that if apple would buy such quantity of gold (everything else being equaled regarding gold purchase ie nobody would deferred or canceled gold purchase in order to buy this gold iPhone), it would not change dramaticaly the global gold market.

          But, it does not mean that such increasing physical buying pressure, would not increase the physical demand/supply equilibrium for a given fiat equilibrium price.

          Indeed, if gold was such plentiful (at these fiat level exchange) and if a potential new big physical gold buyer would have not importance, it would be useless at this stage to follow the gold basis as there would be permanent strong contago.

          PS : sorry, English is not my primary langage and I have big difficulties in order to transcribe nuances into my comments but I hope you will get what I generally mean…

          • opusnz March 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm #

            RD, I knew exactly what you meant so don’t feel bad.

            While I am getting used to it (I am a slow learner) I think some of the attempts at irony or satire are too cryptic and only muddle the message. For those who live and breathe gold it makes perfect sense but for those trying to learn it can make you feel like you are at a Star Trek convention and everyone is speaking Klingon.

  2. RD March 2, 2015 at 3:14 pm #

    opusnz,

    Not sure to have rightfully undertsood your post, still due to my poor English sorry.

    The gold basis “believers” seem to be very sarcastic (or more) on other gold “promoters” and between themselves : it is maybe the time to team up with dan norcini and martin armstrong !

    Besides, I remember years ago fekete stating that the gold basis cannot be manipulated contrary to the gold price, but I did not remember what was the irrefutable evidence of this statement (maybe because I missed them I agree). Indeed, suppose for the sake of the mind, that deliveries would be “forbidden” (just a theorical problem !) in the comex : would it change the relative values of the future contracts ?

    Would it be possible that gold basis results would be a little different in non US markets such shanghai (in Mainland or in the free trade zone) ? If yes, is it meaningful for the theory ?

    Yes I know are surely just a few stupid useless questions as the basis oracle is omniscient…

  3. Keith Weiner March 2, 2015 at 5:41 pm #

    RD: If Apple buys a few hundred tons, that might affect the price of gold. Especially if there were no corresponding selling of gold (e.g. someone sells gold jewelry to buy an Apple Watch which is basically gold jewelry). That is different from my point in this Report. A few hundred tons is *NOT* a third of the world’s gold. The official estimates (which I believe are understated) are 170,000 tonnes.

    It might also affect the basis. As you note, if the only change at the margin is a new buyer of a few hundred tons, then gold metal becomes scarcer. At least until the price rises.

    I try not to be sarcastic, and at the same time point out the economic nonsense (e.g. Apple is buying 1/3 of the world’s gold) and the self-serving promotion. I think this is a matter of integrity. Whether you agree with the basis theory (which is really just an arbitrage theory of markets).

    How would one go about trying to manipulate the basis? If the market wants gold metal, selling futures will only push deeper into backwardation. The only thing central banks could do is sell gold bars. I would not regard that as “manipulating the basis” so much as squandering the national provenance, spending the treasure that belongs to their people.

    I will ask you also to please not be sarcastic. :)

  4. pchapuis March 2, 2015 at 7:19 pm #

    Months of religiously reading these posts and I still struggle to understand. I do get the general idea, so I keep reading. =)
    Do you think that the day we get this “backwardation” we are looking for, that there will actually be physical gold available to buy for the average man on the street?
    I am self taught and have no formal schooling in economics…..but something seems amiss, could the price of gold in dollar terms plummet on the paper market while no physical gold be available to exchange our fiat currency with at my local coin shop?

  5. bronsuchecki March 2, 2015 at 9:42 pm #

    My thoughts on can the basis be manipulated http://goldchat.blogspot.com.au/2010/07/basis-does-not-lie.html

    “Now your retort may be that the fact that the trusting investor was willing to accept fake unallocated allowed the manipulation of the basis to turn backwardation into contango. You would be correct, and that is the point of my scenario. The basis is therefore reflecting reality, the reality that there are idiots prepared to accept paper gold.”

    More at the link.

Convención Europea del Coleccionismo Torremolinos 2015

«Una Convención “low cost” en todos los aspectos, y un concepto integral de feria-exposición-actividades». Hace un mes no había ni rastro en la web de esta 2ª Edición; ahora ya si. Desde hoy jueves hasta el domingo 22 de febrero, cuatro (4) días con sellos, monedas, billetes, postales,…

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http://www.ecc2015.es/

Ya estuve el año pasado y fue un poco decepcionante. Este año hay más comerciantes locales y alguno extranjero. Mañana viernes hay convención AENP, de ahí que sea el día de la numismática. Cayón y Hervera tienen puesto, sólo faltaría…

———————————————————————————————–Ciudad         Stand Nº

BID TO BID España Granada 1
ESTEVE DOMENECH España Barcelona 2
FILATELIA J. MARIN España Barcelona 3
MARTI HERVERA España Barcelona 4
FILATELIA LLACH España Barcelona 5
EXPO GALERIA España Valencia 6
FILATELIA HERNANDO COLÓN España Sevilla 7
SOLER Y LLACH España Barcelona 8
ESTUDIO FILATÉLICO España Sevilla 9
SUBASTAS SEVILLA España Sevilla 10
DEUTSCHE POST (Correo Alemán) Alemania Alemania 11
FILATELIA CARRASQUILLA España Málaga 12
FILATELIA CARRASQUILLA España Málaga 13
CAYÓN NUMISMÁTICA España Madrid 14
MARCELO LEMBO “MINERALES DEL URUGUAY” España Barcelona 15
LEUCHTTURM ALBENVERLAG Alemania Alemania 16
Yves HENNEKINNE SARL Francia Francia 17
LEUCHTTURM ALBENVERLAG Alemania Alemania 18
TERRES AUSTRALES ET ANTARCTIQUES Francia Francia 19
TERRES AUSTRALES ET ANTARCTIQUES Francia Francia 20
TERRES AUSTRALES ET ANTARCTIQUES Francia Francia 21
PANORAMAS PHILATELIE Francia Francia 22
PANORAMAS PHILATELIE Francia Francia 23
PANORAMAS PHILATELIE Francia Francia 24
NUMISMÁTICA HÍSPALIS España Sevilla 25
FILATELIA RIOJANA España Logroño 26
FILATELIA CARMEN RODRÍGUEZ España Sevilla 27
FILATELIA SANTOS España Valladolid 28
NUMISMÁTICA DÍAZ España Málaga 29
NUMISMÁTICA DÍAZ España Málaga 30
FRANCISCO CORPAS – FUENGIROLA España Málaga 31
FRANCISCO CORPAS – FUENGIROLA España Málaga 32
FILATELIA NEUS – RIPOLLET España Barcelona 33
FILATELIA NEUS – RIPOLLET España Barcelona 34
FILATELIA GIMENO España Madrid 35
BOLSA FILATÉLICA España Madrid 36
FILATELIA PUERTA DE TOLEDO España Madrid 37
ARRILLIAGA FIL. España Madrid 38
SUBASTA DE FILATELIA España Madrid 39
CÍRCULO MADRID España Madrid 40
FILATELIA CASTILLA S.L. España Madrid 41
FILATELIA CASTILLA S.L. España Madrid 42
GALERÍA EUROPA España Alicante 43
GALERÍA EUROPA España Alicante 44
CÍA. ESP. COLECCIONISMO Y ANTIGUEDADES España Alicante 45
CÍA. ESP. COLECCIONISMO Y ANTIGUEDADES España Alicante 46
FILATELIA TABER España Barcelona 47
FILATELIA TABER España Barcelona 48
COLECCIONMANÍA España Logroño 49
SPARTAK COINS Rusia – España Rusia – España 50
NUMISMÁTICA REINA España Málaga 51
EL TRUEQUE TORREMOLINOS España Málaga 52
EL TRUEQUE TORREMOLINOS España Málaga 53
EL COLECCIONISMO MARIANO España Málaga 54
EL COLECCIONISMO MARIANO España Málaga 55
EL REY DE LAS POSTALES España Cádiz 56
NUMISMÁTICA INDALO, S.L. – RETAMAR España Almería 57
NUMISMÁTICA INDALO, S.L. – RETAMAR España Almería 58
NUMISMÁTICA INDALO, S.L. – RETAMAR España Almería 59

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El tema central es el CENTENARIO DE LA REAL FEDERACION ANDALUZA DE FUTBOL. Varias Copas de Campeones. He saludado a unos cuantos conocidos, algunos terminando de montar por lo que lo mejor es molestar lo menos posible, dando una vuelta rápida por el Centro de Convenciones. Día tranquilo, aunque agitado a ratos por varios colegios / visitas estudiantiles. Ya veremos mañana qué tal va la cosa.

Y domingo en la World Money Fair

Hoy a las 3 de la tarde sa’cabao. OOOOhhhhhhhhhimageimageimageimageimageimageimage

Ya cuando esté cómodamente de vuelta en casa y procese / repose la información, input que dirían los siempre puntillosos técnicos, os detallo lo que ha dado de si esta feria. Como adelanto, los rusos no son lo que eran 🙂 y show must go on – febrero 2016

Estoy cansado. Cuatro días intensos con entrevistas, chascarrillos, fiestilla, ajetreo, tiras y afloja, encuentros, cervecitas…. mañana panorámica de la ciudad y un par de flecos y salto de vuelta.

¿Has comprado una falsificación en subasta?

De aquí

http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1695  Conditions of Sale

o aquí   http://www.baldwin.co.uk/media/cms/auction-archive/auction-NY36/NY36%20Conditions%20of%20Sale.pdf

7. GUARANTEE FOR FORGERIES
7.1. Auctioneer is a member of the International Association of Professional
Numismatists and in accordance with the conditions of membership, shall provide a
guarantee to the Buyer for all Lots against Forgeries on the terms set out in these
Conditions (‘Guarantee’).
7.2. For the purposes of these Conditions, a ‘Forgery’ means an imitation that
has been created with the fraudulent intent to deceive in respect of the authorship,
origin, date, age, period and the correct description does not correspond with the
description in the Catalog and as a result has a value significantly less than it would
have been had it been genuine.
7.3. You must notify us in writing within one (1) month of you becoming aware
that the Lot may be a Forgery. The Lot must be returned to us in the same
condition as at the time of sale and you must submit evidence that the Lot is a
Forgery, the onus being on you to prove that it is a Forgery.
7.4. You acknowledge that:
(a) we reserve the right to re-assess the Lot or engage at our expense any
expert or authority considered by us at our sole discretion to have the necessary
expertise to undertake a re-assessment of the Lot;
(b) following our re-assessment of the Lot, you agree to be bound by our
decision as to whether or not the Lot is a Forgery.
7.5. You shall not be entitled to a refund for a Forgery if:
(a) the grounds for claiming that the Lot is a Forgery is based primarily on
a difference of opinion between us and a third party providing coin grading services;
(b) the grounds for claiming that the Lot is a Forgery is by reason of any
damage and/or restoration and/or modification work of any nature;
(c) the description of the Lot in the Catalog was in accordance with
generally accepted opinions of numismatic specialists as at the date of
publication or the catalog indicated that there was a conflict of opinion.

(d) it has been proved that the Lot is a Forgery by applying a method that was
unavailable or not generally applied within the industry of numismatics as at the date of
publication of the catalog or was disproportionately expensive, in both cases as
determined in our absolute discretion.

7.6. If we agree that the Lot is a Forgery then subject to:
(a) you being able to confirm in writing that you can transfer legal and
beneficial title to the Lot to us or as directed by us free from all encumbrances or third
party claims of any nature; and
(b) the exclusions in Condition 7.7,
then the sale of the Lot will be rescinded so that it is cancelled and we will refund the
Purchase Price to you in full.
7.7. Your right to return the Lot and receive a refund of the Hammer Price under the
Guarantee is your sole remedy against us, our agents and sub-contractors and/or the
Seller for a Forgery. You will not be entitled to claim interest on the amount due to you.
Neither we, our agents or sub-contractors nor the Seller shall be liable for costs,
expenses, damages or any other liability however it arises relating to a Forgery.
7.8. In accordance with the restriction in Condition 10.2, the benefit of the Guarantee is
personal to the original Buyer and is not transferable to a new owner of the Lot or any other person.

Un mes de plazo con pruebas de falsedad documentadas. Atención al punto 7.5(d) y 7.8. De risa o para llorar, dependiendo del humor que tengamos en ese momento.

2014 – 2015. Lo que fue

2014 está a punto de caramelo. Particularmente para mi y este blog fue el año de, entre otros:

 

World Money Fair 2014 Berlín

https://moneditis.com/2014/02/08/berlin-world-money-fair-2014/

https://moneditis.com/2014/02/12/world-money-fair-2014-vision-general/

 

Amenaza de la AENP por no callar y exclusión de subastas Cayón y Martí Hervera (de momento), presidente y vicepresidente de la citada AENP, además de borrado del foro coincommunity en USSA e intentos en otros. Largos son los tentáculos de la mafia (3ª acepción rae.es)

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/16/aenp-me-amenaza-con-emprender-acciones-legales/

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/15/datos-que-parece-no-gustan-a-la-aenp/

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/19/el-dia-despues/

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/22/los-dos-patitos/

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/24/aclarando-conceptos-y-otras-hierbas/

 

XV Congreso Numismático – MAN

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/28/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica/ 

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/28/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica-ii/

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/29/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica-iii/

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/29/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica-iv/

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/30/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica-v/

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/30/xv-congreso-nacional-de-numismatica-vi/

https://moneditis.com/2014/11/02/videos-xv-congreso-numismatica/

 

Además de 8 reales, columnarios o busto, monedas rusas, XRF, falsas de todo tipo, mercadillos, chascarrillos, exposiciones, ferias, naufragios …

http://www.imperio-numismatico.com/t77060p192-falsas-de-subastas

https://moneditis.com/page/18/

https://moneditis.com/2014/06/12/8-reales-columnarios-mejico/

https://moneditis.com/2013/12/30/recapitulando-2013/

 

¡Encantado de compartir con vosotr@s / Uds mis experiencias / conocimientos durante este 2014!

Silver Rider o simplemente plata

Con la onza sobre los 13 euros esto es lo que algunos piensan sobre el 2015

http://www.outsiderclub.com/2015-silver-forecast/1318

Teoría de Ciclos, análisis técnico y algo de fundamental por el lado conspiranoico.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-22/many-phases-silver-part-1?page=1

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http://www.visualcapitalist.com/silver-series-many-phases-silver-part-1-4/

Lo mejor de zerohedge suelen ser algunos comentarios del estilo:

MEFOBILLS

During the Levant, man’s misunderstanding of money led to much slavery abuse and misery.  Semitic speaking people would distribute members of their tribe in entrepot cities throughout the Mediterranean.

In Greece, for example Semites would sit on outdoor benches waiting to do their work.  These were the money changers, precursors to today’s bankers.

A Greek victim would sidle up to the bench and ask for a Silver loan.  A clay tablet would be proffered by money changer, and Greek citizen would impress his stylus, making his mark, and establishing a debt/credit contract.

The clay ledger would have usury mathematics behind it, and the numbers would grow and demand to be paid at a later date.  The catch?  An intangible number on a ledger was magically equated with something physical from the future.

There had to be silver in the supply in future in order to pay the ever growing intangible ledger.  Man somehow could not discern the difference between tangible, intangible, and making numbers grow outside of nature.

Our Semite friends used Iron Age implements to accelerate silver production as this money medium allowed a brisk trade around the Med.  This helped speed up Western Man’s development as trade caused ferment.

However, the future would always come and physical silver would not be in supply in enough volume.  So, in order to cancel the clay debts, you had to give up your life.  Usually you would be taken into slavery to work in the silver mines.

This led to the “shaking off of debts” in Greece.   Farm production had dropped to almost nothing as farmers were being taken as slaves by the money changers.  Said money changers would also limit silver production as they came to own the mines.

Jesus was killed for 30 pieces of silver, as at the time it was a generational debt.  Judas may have even had debts passed down to him from his father…who knows.  But, it takes a particularly evil mind to come up with generational debts.

Read Babylonian Woe to get a good idea of metal money and its murderous history.  All metal money is blood stained.

http://www.whale.to/c/Babylonian_Woe.pdf