Аукцион №661 Конрос 21.11.2014

Diversas piezas interesantes

Лот №7 10 рублей. М-8,6г 1911 (ЭБ) АГ Au
http://auction.conros.ru/lot/1256853/435/1/
Rematado en 20.297 rublos + 10% comisión. Un euro aprox. igual a 60 rublos



131415

1617

Lote nº 12 Рубль 1754 СПБ IM BS Ag

http://auction.conros.ru/lot/1256858/435/1/

Rematado en 15.608 rublos + 10% comisión

3456

Лот №15  Рубль 1834 СПБ НГ Ag

http://auction.conros.ru/lot/1256861/435/1/

Rematado en 6.375 rublos + 10 % comisión

789101112

 

Precios Sberbank / Banco de Rusia Metales Preciosos

Precios del Banco de Rusia / Sberbank de Metales Preciosos Intervenidos ;( en rublos

1 € aprox. igual a 60 rublos hoy. Mañana ya veremos. Cayendo el rublo.

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Para los que de ruso andeis un poco justos el orden es oro, plata, platino y paladio. Bid-Ask.

Ampliar fotos CTRL+ para leer cómodamente el texto

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Y de muestra un botón

ps Entrada nº 200 desde Rusia con…Metales Preciosos y Amor

About Precious Metals

The Tenth Man
By Jared Dillian November 13, 2014
Jared Dillian

Three Steps Forward, Two Steps Back

I have been a gold bull, unrelentingly, since 2005. It has been quite an adventure.

Nine years ago, I was 31—still pretty young. I hadn’t read enough Austrian economics to even understand why I should like gold, but I did nonetheless. Besides, it was going up. And coincidentally, the folks at State Street had just come out with GLD, the SPDR Gold Shares ETF, and I was a market maker in it. Without GLD to invest in, I wonder if I would have had the inclination to learn about investing in gold futures or physical gold.

I also noticed that politics were starting to move left, deficits were getting larger, and the Fed had committed a policy error post-tech bubble in leaving rates at 1% for so long. 2005 was late enough to recognize that we were blowing a big housing bubble and monetary policy had certainly played a role in it.

Gold turned out to be a pretty good trade. I owned GLD up until the financial crisis, and I bought more on the 30% correction in 2008—with veins popping out of my neck because I knew that quantitative easing was on the way. It was by far the biggest position in my portfolio.

The narrative that developed at that time—“The US is printing money; we are going to end up like Weimar Germany, in hyperinflation”—made sense to me. It made sense to a lot of people. It has not come to pass, for some reasons we understand (it takes years to work off deflationary forces) and some we don’t.

That’s not to say that Milton Friedman’s quantity theory of money has been discredited. Money velocity has plummeted and keeps plummeting, for some reasons we understand and some we don’t.

Suffice it to say, the last three years have been very painful as an owner of gold.

Why You Should Own Gold Anyway

A lot of folks think that the price of gold correlates with the Federal Reserve balance sheet, and I think that’s partially true, but it’s not the whole story. I think it also correlates with the budget deficit.

When gold was at its highs, our deficit was at clearly unsustainable levels, over 10% of GDP. That’s at about the level that certain European countries started getting margin calls. There was this idea that our deficit would continue to grow, resulting in an oversupply of bonds and failed Treasury auctions, and that the Fed would have to directly monetize the deficit. Not unreasonable.

Then a miracle occurred: the deficit started going down.

It went down because we raised taxes, a lot, and became very efficient at collecting them. Also, after a period of years, the economy did start to recover, resulting in more revenues for the government. Our deficit went from $1.8 trillion down to $450 billion, about 3% of GDP, which is eminently manageable.

But I would argue that nothing has really changed in policymakers’ attitudes towards spending, that the federal fisc has been rescued by the happy accident of aggressive revenue collection and decent economic growth. I think discretionary spending has been momentarily constrained by political forces, but the long-term outlook for debt and deficits is pretty bad.

People talk about Social Security and Medicare being unfunded liabilities, that they are demographic time bombs, but we just added another one: Obamacare. If you paid any attention at all to what was going on in 2010 when it was passed, it allegedly had a cost of $1 trillion over 10 years. But that is only because it collects taxes for the first 10 years and spends for six.

On a going concern basis, it is, well, not a going concern.

And if we have learned anything from Medicare, which was projected to cost $9 billion by 1990 but ended up costing $67 billion, it is likely to get more, not less, expensive.

I am pretty pessimistic about the deficit, no matter which party is in charge. That debt monetization scenario I described is definitely within our future—it is only a matter of when.

Are People Too Emotional About Gold?

Practically speaking, I’ve given back most of my gains on gold. In fact, I was so sure that gold wouldn’t trade below 1,150 that I sold an (imaginary) one-touch to my clients at that price, which is basically a digital option that pays out when the barrier is touched.

The payoff is that I am forced to eat haggis, which, according to Wikipedia, “is a savoury pudding containing sheep’s pluck (heart, liver and lungs); minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally encased in the animal’s stomach and simmered for approximately three hours.”

I ordered a can of it from Amazon, but it only comes in packages of three, so I will be eating a lot of haggis.

Gold is a very dangerous trade, because it plays into people’s core beliefs and how they perceive the world around them. If you are conservative/libertarian and you like hard money and hate the Fed, chances are you are bullish on gold. If you are a Keynesian/liberal and you like fiat money, chances are you are bearish on gold.

But most people aren’t bullish on, say, Yelp, because they are politically aligned one way or another. They evaluate Yelp on its investment merits. But people get emotionally attached to gold, or repulsed by it.

For example, Euro Pacific Capital CEO Peter Schiff is probably not going to change his mind on gold, no matter how low it goes. Neither is Barry Ritholtz, founder of Ritholtz Wealth Management. He will not change his mind on gold, no matter how high it goes. They may say they have intellectual flexibility, but they don’t.

Gold isn’t like oil. You might be bearish on oil at 140 and bullish at 70, but people generally don’t do that with gold. The people who were bearish on it for a decade never changed their minds, not even when it went up almost 1,000%, and the gold bulls (myself included) are still pounding the table after a very large and painful correction.

No White Flags in Sight

It will be interesting to see how long this correction lasts, because corrections usually last until nearly everyone capitulates and sells. But with gold, nobody is capitulating anytime soon. There is a lot of gold that people are unwilling to sell at any price.

One of my clients told me that he has owned the Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF (GDX) since $57/share and still owns it (presently about $18). Then you have all the physical buyers—what, are they going to take their gold out of the safe and put it in a box and ship it off to the bullion dealer so they can realize a capital loss? Never. They would rather die and just bequeath it to their children.

So it’s going to be interesting to see what constitutes capitulation in precious metals. All the hedge funds that were screwing around with it are already out of the trade and have been for a while.

It’s funny—not only do people not sell on the way down, they actually buy more. The US Mint recently ran out of silver Eagles, because at $16 an ounce, people are stocking up. And every time gold has broken some level of technical support, the physical buyers have come in and have vacuumed up all the coins until the premiums blew out and the mints screamed, “uncle.”

This is either going to end very badly, or it’s going to end… great. It does kind of remind me of equities in the ‘90s. If you recall, stocks were a religion back then. Just buy the index fund and dollar-cost average. Stocks go up forever. And if it goes down, buy even more. A pretty nasty bear market in gold has not disabused people of these habits.

Besides. Go back to the ‘70s—you had a 50% correction on the way to $800 an ounce. We could easily have another 50% correction and still be in a bull market. And what if wedo get inflation? Pandemonium.

It’s funny, because as you look around the stock market for bargains, there are none. Newmont Mining, one of the largest gold producers in the world, has a smaller market cap than travel review website TripAdvisor. I take this as a sign.

(Disclosure: I’m long the gold and silver ETFs GLD, SLV, GDX, SIL, and I own both physical gold and silver, and I’m also short TRIP.)Jared Dillian
Jared Dillian
Editor, The 10th Man
Mauldin Economics

Jared Dillian is The 10th Man: He’s the odd one out, the devil’s advocate, the one who—for the greater good—is obliged to disagree when everyone else agrees. He’s the ultimate contrarian. With almost a decade’s experience on Wall Street under his belt, Jared combines trader’s intuition and behavioral economics to predict tomorrow’s trends today. As the editor of Mauldin Economics’ monthly newsletter, Bull’s Eye Investor, he probes the mind of the markets and shows his readers how to profit.

http://www.mauldineconomics.com/members

No te digo «ná» (nada) y te lo digo «tó» (todo), es decir, el que escribe el artículo justifica su tenencia de metales preciosos aún cuando están cayendo a plomo, y valga la posible redundancia con el juego de palabras ;( . Ahora que cada cual decida su momento.

Ноябрьский очный аукцион + Аукцион №660

Una subasta presencial al mes

http://auction.conros.ru/clive/433/ 12

124 lotes, monedas en su mayoría http://auction.conros.ru/lot/1253553/433/1/  con algunas medallas http://auction.conros.ru/lot/1253659/433/1/ 

Más la subasta semanal por internet

http://auction.conros.ru/clAuct/434/flash/

conros0

La evolución de los precios en los últimos tiempos se adapta a la evolución del rublo con respecto a las divisas más importantes, € y $. No hay chollos; los cuidadores prestan especial atención. 1 euro equivale +- a 60 rublos.

Falsas de subastas. Apoteosis subastera

Llegan noviembre y diciembre cargaditos de subastas, http://www.imperio-numismatico.com/f15-subastas-convenciones por lo que no está de más recordar algunos detalles con respecto a las mismas http://www.sixbid.com/index.html Octubre no ha sido menos. http://www.sixbid.com/index.html?v=completed.  Parece que los clientes de las casas de subasta están echando el resto. No se vende «ná» y de ahí que el género devenge por este canal subastero antes de Navidad…que después ya se sabe.

http://www.imperio-numismatico.com/t77060-falsas-de-subastas

 

ultzama1x2

Pues yo la verdad no comprendo que cada 2 x 3 salgan monedas falsas en una casa u otra. A ver si ahora va a ser la tónica general… coño, que cada uno tiene que poner dedicación en tu trabajo, y realizarlo de una manera efectiva.
Me parece que estas situaciones deberían ser algo más que esporádicas en cualquier casa de subastas. Considero que un profesional, salvo en ocasiones puntualísimas, no puede cometer estos errores.
Lo de la devolución del dinero en un caso de estos es algo que me parece que no se debe ni comentar, se debe dar por hecho vamos, faltaría más que pusieran alguna pega !  Shocked 
HARPOMARX
A mi lo que me sorprende, y más en los tiempos que estamos con una gran desarrollo tecnológico en muchos campos, que no se haya desarrollado un sistema al alcance de cualquier usuario que te permita detectar monedas falsas (como los detectores de billetes), un aparato que pueda analizar todo de una pieza (antigüedad del metal, medida, peso, etc, etc)Yo no soy un gran experto en estos temas, pero estoy convencido que todo es ponerse, y se evitarían muchos de los problemas que pasan actualmente con el tema de las falsificaciones, sobre todo para el prestigio de las casas de subastas …Salu2,
David
Nivaria (citando a calleja)
Ruizcalleja escribió:
– Si yo fuera moderador de este foro ataría muy en corto este hilo porque se puede desmadrar. Y si fuera el dueño ya lo hubiera cerrado. Pero vamos, que a mí me da igual porque no será a mí a quien le denuncien por calumniar Smile


En este país de pandereta parece que debemos tener miedo hasta de soplarnos lo mocos. A ver si ya despertamos y empezamos a distinguir la crítica sana de la calumnia!!!!!!

Udyat
Hola,he seguido este hilo con bastante interés porque siempre me ha parecido que comprar en una casa de subastas era una garantía de autenticidad.Respecto a la polémica:- Me extaña que una casa de subastas «nos la intente colar», porque la primera perjudicada es ella.- A mi personalmente me vale con que se pueda demostrar la falsedad de una moneda. En un principio se supone auténtica, y tener certeza absoluta… solo de que nunca me voy a quedar embarazado. El hilo se puede desmadrar si, pero si es por decir verdades aunque no guste leerlas, creo que merece la pena.

Ahora vamos al verdadero tema:

A mi me la han colado que yo sepa al menos, dos casas de subastas: una de las grandes, y otra de las pequeñas. No, no voy a decir cuáles son.
– Sobre la pequeña ya habíais avisado por aquí sobre el mal trato, experiencias, etc  pero como me gusta escarmentar en cabeza propia probé, y efectivamente como algunos avisasteis son un verguenza. Me colaron una falsa que no daba el peso, ni la forma del canto etc.

– Sobre la grande, me colaron una falsa bastante dificil de detectar (al menos para mi), se lo demostré, me devolvieron el dinero y no hubo más problema.Lo curioso, es que la moneda era una vieja conocida de este foro, dada finalmente por falsa, y que fue a caer a la casa de subastas de mano de  Question   Suspect

Aprovecho si se me permite para poner dos citas. Una del Lazarillo que he leído en el excelente blog de Ruiz Calleja:

Parecióme que en aquel instante desperté de la simpleza en que, como niño, dormido estaba.
Dije entre mí: «Verdad dice éste, que me cumple avivar el ojo y avisar, pues solo soy, y pensar cómo me sepa valer».

Otra de León Felipe:

Yo no sé muchas cosas, es verdad.
Digo tan sólo lo que he visto.
Y he visto:
Que la cuna del hombre la mecen con cuentos,
que los gritos de angustia del hombre los ahogan con cuentos,
que el llanto del hombre lo taponan con cuentos,
que los huesos del hombre los entierran con cuentos,
y que el miedo del hombre…
ha inventado todos los cuentos.
Yo no sé muchas cosas, es verdad,
pero me han dormido con todos los cuentos…
y sé todos los cuentos.

 lehmann5

Yo ya he visto que hay muchas casas que venden reproducciones de aureos , eso si, diciendo que son copias. Pero muy buenas copias por lo que he visto. En cualquier caso, mi conclusion despues de haber tenido algun encontronazo con NGC y diferentes casas de certificacion y expertos…..es que salvo cosas que son evidentes, es una cuestion de opinion.

uno puede opinar que si y otro que no. Cada un basado en sus experiencias, pero eso no quiere decir que no este equivocado totalmente.

un ejemplo. Las lineas de flujo de metal, muchos las toman como garantia de que es una moneda acuñada y no prensada. No es cierto, y lo puedo demostrar. Esas lineas solo indican que el cospel original era mas pequeño que el cuño que se utilizo.

yo he visto originales (y lo he visto salir yo de la tierra) que el estilo no se parecia a otros originales ni de coña, y todo el mundo la daba como falsificacion.

Pero hay mucho cuño con arte degenerado, o por principiantes.

 http://www.imperio-numismatico.com/t77060p180-falsas-de-subastas

Sedwick + Vico + …

Subasta Sedwick

Empezamos aquí

https://moneditis.com/2014/09/14/1538-mexico-city-8-reales-coin-auction-daniel-frank-sedwick-llcs/

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/07/primera-macuquina-americana-o-espanola-o-mundial-8-reales-mejico-1538-y-massssssss/

Para continuar aquí

http://auction.sedwickcoins.com/Treasure-and-World-Coin-Auction-16_as34047

y aquí

http://auction.sedwickcoins.com/Mexico-City-Mexico-8-reales-Charles-Joanna-Early-Series-assayer-Rincon-FIRST-DOLLAR-OF-THE-N_i20694397

Casí 600.000 dólares incluidas comisiones. Interesantes «item description»

http://auction.sedwickcoins.com/Mexico-City-Mexico-cob-8-reales-Royal-1725D-Louis-I-double-ornaments-flanking-ordinal-extremel_i20694443

Los 8 reales de Luis I 1725 no se han vendido. Las pujas comenzaban en 125.000 dólares yankees

Diversas curiosidades aquí, como platos, pistolas, joyas

http://auction.sedwickcoins.com/Treasure-and-World-Coin-Auction-16_as34049

Subasta Vico

De aquí

https://moneditis.com/2014/10/31/subasta-jesus-vico-6-noviembre/

Nos vamos aquí

http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1565

http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1566

Adjudicaciones

http://jesusvico.com/adjudicaciones.php

Lote 317: 520 € + comisiones     Lote 318: Sin vender      Lote 320: 450 € + comisiones    Lote 325:  1.700 € + comisiones

Lote 335:  550 €  + comisiones    Lote 344 de conjunto : 300 €  + comisiones   Lote 408 de conjunto: 245 €  + comisiones

Lote 412 de conjunto : 255 €  + comisiones

Estratosférico cierre del lote 311 en 820 euretes  

http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1565&category=33003&lot=1411937

Y hoy es viernes, así es que feliz fin de semana a tod@s

Un (1) año

El 2 de noviembre de 2013 este blog comenzaba así

https://moneditis.com/2013/11/02/moneditis/

Moneditis

(Del lat. monēta  e -itis).)

1. f. Discreta obsesión en el atesoramiento colecciofóbico de piezas de oro, plata, cobre u otro metal, regularmente en forma de disco y acuñadas con los distintivos elegidos por la autoridad emisora para acreditar su legitimidad y valor, y, por ext., billetes o papeles multicolor de curso legal.

En el transcurso de este año ha habido de todo. Desde lectores agradecidos hasta furibundos ataques personales. No se puede caer bien a todo el mundo; a todos os deseo lo que os merezcáis, por aquello del karma y tal y, en cualquier caso, que se cumplan vuestros deseos, siempre y cuando no interfieran con «no hagas a los demás lo que no quieras que te hagan a ti». Si, se acerca la Navidad.

El año blogero por delante se presenta interesante, con una menor carga de indefinición y «que pasará» aunque siempre abierto a nuevas experiencias y/o aventuras numismáticas. Mucho me queda por aprender, de la mano de todos vosotros.

Gracias.

Análisis Plata Metal

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/11/3_Silver_Is_One_Of_The_Greatest_Opportunities_In_World_History.html

November 3, 2014

Embry“I’m focused on silver, which is something I strongly believe represents an unbelievable opportunity.  Right now the open interest is at all-time highs, despite the price having been pounded for the past six months on the back end of a 3 1/2 year price decline of nearly 70 percent….

“Normally when there is a price decline like we have recently seen on the Comex, the longs are flushed out and the shorts reap their profits.  But despite continued pressure on the price of silver, the longs are not capitulating.  If anything they are digging in and the open interest is growing, which is unheard of.

The open interest in the December trading contract, which matures in 17 trading days, dwarfs the available inventory on the exchange.  So it will be very interesting to see how this situation unfolds.  When you put that into the context of the fact that silver is now trading dramatically below what it takes to extract an ounce from the ground for a pure silver producer, it really demonstrates the absurdity of the situation.

With a price that has been under so much pressure, this would normally suggest that silver demand has been weak and the market is being overwhelmed by supply, but that’s not the case.  The demand for silver coins from the U.S. Mint has risen dramatically and there has been continued demand from the industrial side, which takes up the lion’s share of supply.

People have to remember that in the aftermath of World War II there were massive inventories of silver in the world.  And following the Hunt Brothers attempt to corner the market in the 1970s, above ground inventories remained huge.  But all of these above ground inventories have been absorbed as physical demand has outstripped mine supply for many, many years.

Also, the majority of silver mine supply comes as a result of base metals mining.  With the world now moving inexorably toward a recession/depression, and with excess supply everywhere, the demand for base metals is going to decline sharply.  This will curtail production and mean there will be less silver byproduct.

So I see an extremely positive supply/demand situation building here at a price that is remarkably discounted for silver.  What doesn’t get discussed is the fact that not too long ago roughly 1/3 of the industrial demand for silver was related to photography.  But all of that demand from photography has disappeared and been replaced by solar demand, medicinal demand, etc..  And these new sources of demand continue to grow well beyond what we used to see from photography.

But because the paper manipulation is beyond remarkable, silver remains as undervalued an asset as I have ever seen.  As an example, in the last 135 trading days the silver price has declined in the thinly traded access market 130 times at the open.  So to be clear, in the early hours of the east coast of the United States silver has declined at the opening of trading 130 out of the last 135 trading days.  That is preposterous.  And some of these declines have been precipitous.

This is purely manipulation by high-frequency and algorithm programs and it sets the tone for each trading day and permits the powers that be to keep the pressure on the price.  This is all part of how they attempt to keep the public away from gold and silver.  But gold and silver are the only real money and it remains the arch enemy of the failing fiat currency system.  So the central bankers are in overdrive here trying to discredit gold and silver.

Sadly the Western governments and central banks have failed their citizens and are now trying one last time to keep things afloat.  Unfortunately they are going to fail, and all investors can do as that day of failure rapidly approaches is to own physical gold and silver in order to protect themselves.  This is the most dangerous time in world history, both economically and financially — strictly on the leverage in the financial system — and the sad truth is that I don’t even think we are going to recognize the world when this is over.”

Una fuente de información más. Relativizando la visión un tanto extrema de Sprott y colegas…aunque me quedo con la duda de la ecuación producción-demanda-coste-beneficio

Anterior http://usawatchdog.com/gold-and-silver-end-game-here-john-embry/